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Old 18-04-2018, 09:58 AM #26
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Don't think it was deliberate?... Think again.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ays-ex-staffer
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Don't think it was deliberate?... Think again.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ays-ex-staffer
The Guardian clickbait - no thanks!
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It shouldn't even be up for debate.
They came over as kids, parents worked here and contributed, they have spent all their adult lives here, as well as their childhoods.
Common sense should prevail.
Absolutely this.
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The Guardian clickbait - no thanks!
There you go, the torygraph...Better?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...-2010-leaving/
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There you go, the torygraph...Better?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...-2010-leaving/
Yes but it was infact 2009
New Labour instructed the home office
to destroy the landing cards
took a year to do it.

We found out Live on PMQs

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And we know this how? It wasn't labour policy to create a the 'hostile environment' policy though was it?

The tories implemented this knowing these people may have no other identifying papers and that with their immigration plans this for me was a very distinct ploy to avoid paying these people who have worked all their lives a pension.
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And we know this how? It wasn't labour policy to create a the 'hostile environment' policy though was it?

The tories implemented this knowing these people may have no other identifying papers and that with their immigration plans this for me was a very distinct ploy to avoid paying these people who have worked all their lives a pension.

Correct
it was New Labour 2009
and Conservatives -LibDems
after summer 2010
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Where is the evidence?... We only have mays word this was actioned in 2009.
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Where is the evidence?... We only have mays word this was actioned in 2009.

Home office records
of course

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43806710
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They had been stored in a basement for decades but Downing Street says the UK Border Agency approved a business case in June 2009 to dispose of paper records, including the cards.

The decision to destroy the cards themselves was taken in October 2010, after the coalition came to power. Mrs May was not involved in the decision, which was taken at official level, said No 10.

My guess is she's lying... where is this 'case' from 2009?
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Lies, lies and damned lies!!

Downing Street said new information was coming to light about the handling of the landing cards all the time, which was why there was a discrepancy between information given out on Tuesday and Wednesday.

But a Labour Party spokesman said the government's story was "shifting by the hour".

"First Downing Street claimed the decision to destroy the Windrush-era landing cards was made by the Home Office in 2010 for data protection reasons. Then the Home Office passed the buck to a 2010 decision by the UK Border Agency.

"At PMQs, the prime minister tried to shift the blame onto the last Labour government but was undermined by her own spokesperson minutes later, who then stated it was an operational decision, which Labour ministers would not have been aware of. Her spokesperson couldn't even say when the cards were destroyed."

Jacqui Smith, who was Labour home secretary until replaced by Alan Johnson in June 2009, told the BBC that it was "not a policy decision she had made". Mr Johnson also said he "had absolutely no recollection at all of being involved" in the landing card decision.

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I actually have a few friends who are worried as their families came at that time and none of them have ever applied for passports so are they right to be worried ? what a complete cock up this is.

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Don't laugh at my edit - talk about dumb error !
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Cue operation cover up...

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This started way back in 2006 with New Labour
in Power.
A Barbados black lady phoned into LBC Live Radio Andrew Castle show
Who said as she had a Barbados Passport arriving in the UK in 1975.
She confirmed on a return Holiday in 2006
the Passport Control in the UK , warned her not to travel again
as she would be sent back.




It appears any they did not have a UK passport
were getting trouble during New Labour Term


Sure Kizzy
The Conservative - LibDems of 2010
made it worse.

But its Very important the Whole Truth is out
the New Labour term started this Racist Action.


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What is important is to keep the discussion in context, the 'hostile environment' as referred to by Labour was specifically aimed at criminals as shown here.

This strategy sets out how we will continue our efforts
to cut crime and make the UK a hostile environment
for those that seek to break our laws or abuse our
hospitality.
It is divided into four mutually reinforcing
objectives that together form the basis of our renewed
approach to tackling criminal activity.
Our objectives:
Deter - Strengthening UK resilience against
immigration and cross border crime;
Disrupt - Breaking up criminal activities and
organised criminal groups;
Detect - Identifying and locating those
responsible for criminal activity and the smuggling
of illicit goods;

Nowhere are innocent people under any threat.

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.g...df?view=Binary
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It shouldn't even be up for debate.
They came over as kids, parents worked here and contributed, they have spent all their adult lives here, as well as their childhoods.
Common sense should prevail.




say it again smudgie - everything that matters is in your post. case closed. nothing more to be said.

common sense must prevail.
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Yeah of course we should let them stay(aslong as they’re legal obvs).They’ve lived and worked and paid tax here for a long time.
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"Nowhere are innocent people under any threat."

Of course Kizzy
But New Labour
lost power due to Gordon Brown being PM.

But that Black Lady back in 2006
Framed her letter,
so to be Fair this all started with New Labour
then got far worse under Conservative - LibDems.
And carried on up to now,


Loads of innocents (not illegals)
to be solved and given proper UK documents.

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"Nowhere are innocent people under any threat."

Of course Kizzy
But New Labour
lost power due to Gordon Brown being PM.

But that Black Lady back in 2006
Framed her letter,
so to be Fair this all started with New Labour
then got far worse under Conservative - LibDems.
And carried on up to now,


Loads of innocents (not illegals)
to be solved and given proper UK documents.
Nope that was an over zealous UKBA official, nothing to do with labour or their policies.
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Nope that was an over zealous UKBA official, nothing to do with labour or their policies.
But that Black Lady
talking about 2006 year.
Means it was New Labour in power
Blair infact.

Everything to do with who was in Power.

She carried on having trouble
it was not just one official.
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[People from the Windrush generation and
their children living in Britain will have citizenship fees waived, Home Secretary Amber Rudd has announced.]

https://news.sky.com/story/citizensh...ation-11344186
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[People from the Windrush generation and
their children living in Britain will have citizenship fees waived, Home Secretary Amber Rudd has announced.]

https://news.sky.com/story/citizensh...ation-11344186
That is the very LEAST she could do.
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But that Black Lady
talking about 2006 year.
Means it was New Labour in power
Blair infact.

Everything to do with who was in Power.

She carried on having trouble
it was not just one official.
Well with no link it's hard to get a gauge of the situation to be fair.
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