[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

It will be that famous bloke who lived nearby.

Clement Freud mmmm that connection is very odd

[The Slim Reaper]

I always believed the McCanns version of events until I saw this statement analysis. The bloke asking the questions is an insane conspiracy nut, but Peter Hyatt is more than credible. He gets some things wrong because of certain vocal differences in the slang British people use, but definitely worth a watch.

Youtube video

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I always believed the McCanns version of events until I saw this statement analysis. The bloke asking the questions is an insane conspiracy nut, but Peter Hyatt is more than credible. He gets some things wrong because of certain vocal differences in the slang British people use, but definitely worth a watch.

Youtube video

Yes that's a really interesting watch. Some thing often pointed out as well is how the McCanns never ever talk about how Madeline might be feeling ie scared, lonely, sad etc even in Kates book she only describes how she might look and when they're talking about her from before she "disappeared" they always seemed to focus on what she looked like aswell which is really weird I think

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yes that's a really interesting watch. Some thing often pointed out as well is how the McCanns never ever talk about how Madeline might be feeling ie scared, lonely, sad etc even in Kates book she only describes how she might look and when they're talking about her from before she "disappeared" they always seemed to focus on what she looked like aswell which is really weird I think

I expect that is on the advice of police

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I expect that is on the advice of police

They were advised by Police just after she "disappeared" not to focus on her eye defect as it might endanger her life and they ignored that advice and got posters made up completely focusing on the eye defect..........

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

They were advised by Police just after she "disappeared" not to focus on her eye defect as it might endanger her life and they ignored that advice and got posters made up completely focusing on the eye defect..........

there were many things done in desperation after the abduction as i am sure as a parent you can understand

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

there were many things done in desperation after the abduction as i am sure as a parent you can understand

Not that no, if Police tell you that doing a particular thing may endanger your child's life, I would not be doing it. i can say that with certainty

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Not that no, if Police tell you that doing a particular thing may endanger your child's life, I would not be doing it. i can say that with certainty

i am afraid you cant as you have never been in that situation. Do you have evidence that the UK police advised that specifically, I am sure you do.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i am afraid you cant as you have never been in that situation. Do you have evidence that the UK police advised that specifically, I am sure you do.

This happened in Portugal LT not the UK, clearly I meant the Portuguese Police but you knew that didn't you. The UK Police seem completely incompetent with their input, atleast the PJ had a couple of suspects

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

This happened in Portugal LT not the UK, clearly I meant the Portuguese Police but you knew that didn't you. The UK Police seem completely incompetent with their input, atleast the PJ had a couple of suspects

Then I expect the McCanns did not trust the bungling Portuguese Police, dont blame them tbh.

[Glenn.]

You’d think they’d be grateful for any help they could get considering it was their fault their child went ‘missing’.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Then I expect the McCanns did not trust the bungling Portuguese Police, dont blame them tbh.

So in one breath you scoff at those questioning one set of Police while simultaneously scoffing at another set of Police. Hilarious.

[Withano]

Meanwhile, we all know the McCanns did it and there’s never been enough evidence for it.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So in one breath you scoff at those questioning one set of Police while simultaneously scoffing at another set of Police. Hilarious.

well if all police forces were the same I could see your point

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

well if all police forces were the same I could see your point

And you decide which Police forces are good and which are bad? Got it

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Meanwhile, we all know the McCanns did it and there’s never been enough evidence for it.

Which is the exact conclusion the Portuguese police arrived at

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Another member who loves to think they can read minds

I take it that it gives a feeling of superiority to bolster an inner crisis of confidence?

I see you used your time away to study some pop psychology textbooks LT. Time well spent .

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

there were many things done in desperation after the abduction as i am sure as a parent you can understand

As a parent... when you're told something could endanger your child's life, you do it anyway?

[Greg!]

Hopefully this extra money is going towards gathering evidence against the parents but I doubt it

[LeatherTrumpet]

'I cannot hold you, yet I do': Kate McCann reads heart-breaking poem at vigil marking 11 years since her daughter Maddie disappeared

• Parents of Madeleine McCann mark the 11th anniversary of their daughter's disappearance from Portugal
• Brave Kate and Gerry cling to a glimmer of hope Maddie could still be alive despite no trace of her being found
• At vigil in their home town of Rothley, Leicestershire, Kate read a poem that began: 'I cannot hold you, yet I do'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ce-remain.html

[Nicky91]

that grin on Kate her face, sorry but smiling at something serious like this

[Niamh.]

Maddie: Did the BBC bend the truth?
On the night Madeleine McCann disappeared, an Irish tourist saw a man with a child matching her description near the McCann apartment. His testimony could prove vital to the world’s most famous missing person case, especially since the man he saw that night has never come forward

On a cold May night in 2007, Martin Smith and his family were walking home after an evening out in the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz. A retired businessman from Drogheda, Co Louth, he co-owned an apartment there and was a regular visitor to the Algarve town.

The crowds of summer had yet to arrive and the normally bustling streets of the old quarter lay quiet. It was approaching 10pm when some members of the family of nine were suddenly struck by the sight of a man walking quickly towards them holding a small child uncomfortably in his arms.

As he passed close by them on the narrow street, the child appeared to be in a deep sleep, her head placed over his shoulder and arms suspended down her body.

She was blonde, aged around four and wearing pyjamas. Despite the chill in the air, her feet were bare. Martin and his daughter Aoife noted that her skin was very white. The man carrying the girl was middle-aged and more formally dressed than the average tourist, in beige trousers and a dark blazer-like top.

A member of Martin’s family made a comment towards him that the child was sleeping but he did not respond or make eye contact, keeping his head down as he hurriedly headed in the direction of the coast.

At the time, Martin did not realise the sighting had the potential to change the course of the world’s most high-profile missing-person case.

The following morning, he got a text from his daughter in Ireland to tell him that a three-year old girl had gone missing in the resort. The approximate time frame and location he had witnessed the man and child appeared to match.

By now, the mystery of what happened to Madeleine McCann was beginning to grip the world. Martin brought his mind back to the evening before and wondered if the child he saw could have been her. The girl certainly matched Madeleine’s description and the sighting had taken place at Rua da Escola Primaria, just 500 yards from the McCanns’ apartment. In time, Martin would become convinced he was correct.

Over a decade has passed since Madeleine McCann went missing on May 3, 2007 yet the case of the British three-year-old remains mired in more questions than answers. The mainstream media, who have by and large backed Gerry and Kate McCann’s version of events with the support of several A-list celebrities and politicians, appear to have lost interest in a story they once could not get enough of.

The very opposite is true on social media. The internet swirls with allegations and theories that the McCann story is littered with holes and does not stack up. Countless videos have been posted on YouTube by armchair detectives challenging the parents’ seemingly at times bizarre behaviour, in particular their reactions in certain interviews when the finger of blame shifts towards them.

Some are compelling to watch and have highlighted what appear to be discrepancies and confusion in certain accounts given by the McCanns and some of their friends about what happened in the period before and after Madeleine disappeared.

“It was like watching an action replay”

Gerry McCann, a consultant cardiologist from Scotland, and his Liverpool wife Kate, a GP and anaesthetist, said they had put their daughter and two-year-old twins Sean and Amelie to bed at around 7pm, had drinks together for almost an hour and then left the children alone to go to a tapas bar 50 yards from their apartment. There they met seven friends with whom they were on holiday. They told police that they and their friends checked on the children every half hour.

Gerry said he went to the apartment at 9.05pm and all the children were sleeping soundly. He said Madeleine was lying on her left-hand side in exactly the same position she was in when they had left her.

At 9.25pm, his friend, Dr Matthew Oldfield told police he went to check on the McCann children. He said afterwards he could not be certain that he saw Madeleine on that check.

Kate McCann said she went back to the apartment at around 10pm, entering through the patio doors that they had left unlocked. She said she noticed that the door of the children’s bedroom was “completely open” and that the window was also open and the shutters raised. She said she scoured the apartment, then left the twins asleep in their beds before running back to her friends in the tapas bar and claiming Madeleine had been taken. At 10.41pm, her disappearance from Apartment 5A of the Ocean Club resort was reported to police by hotel staff.

Overnight the story made headlines around the world. Several days after Madeleine disappeared, the Smith family flew back home, but the sighting remained at the back of Martin’s mind. He discussed it with his wife Mary, son Peter and daughter Aoife who were with him that night.

When they tallied the time and location, and the fact that the man they had seen had come from the direction of the Ocean Club complex where the McCanns were staying, they were convinced that it could have been Madeleine they had seen.

They decided to inform investigating police, and at the end of May 2007, Martin, Aoife and Peter flew back out to Portugal to make statements. They gave similar accounts of the man they had witnessed: average build, short brown hair, beige trousers; and the child: blonde, around four, and wearing pyjamas.

As the summer passed, the mystery of what happened to Madeleine McCann continued to perplex the world but life returned to normal for the Smiths. Then one Sunday evening in September, it came back to haunt Martin again. He was sitting at home watching TV when a report came on the BBC ‘News at Ten’ about the McCanns’ return to Britain. As he watched Gerry coming down the steps of the plane, carrying his two-year-old son in his arms, Martin was gripped by what he had just seen and described the experience as watching “an action replay” in his mind.

He was instantly brought back to the night of May 3 in Praia da Luz. Something about the way Gerry was holding the child in his arms and the way he put his head down seemed shockingly similar to the man he had seen in Portugal the night Madeleine went missing. He said it hit him like a “bolt from the blue”. He watched the clip again on different news channels reinforcing his belief that he was not mistaken.

During this period, Martin had difficulty sleeping and felt sick with anxiety. He contacted the Garda and informed them of what had happened.

He told them he was 60-80% sure the man he saw carrying the child that night was Gerry McCann. His wife Mary felt the same way.

Irish officers found him credible. A local garda who interviewed him on behalf of the Portuguese authorities described him as a genuine, decent man who did not want to court the press or seek publicity.

But while Martin’s evidence seemed compelling, independent and without motivation, much to his frustration, it was not given the attention it seemed to deserve.

Almost a year after he made his initial statement to police, he was approached by private detectives working for the McCanns and asked to make e-fits (electronic facial identification images), of the man he had seen the night Madeleine disappeared.

The McCanns say they gave these pictures to the police at the time but chose not to publicise them. Instead they remained focused on another sighting by their friend Jane Tanner, one of the so-called Tapas Seven group of friends who had been on holiday with the couple and who dined with them the evening Madeleine disappeared.

She claimed to have seen a man carrying a child away from their apartment complex at around 9.20pm, but in the opposite direction to the man allegedly seen by the Smiths.



However, more than six years later, in 2013, the Metropolitan police announced that a British tourist had come forward to say he could have been the man she had seen as he carried his daughter home from the Ocean Club late night creche.

The Tanner sighting was about to be dismissed. The Met would switch their attention to the man seen by the Smiths. The e-fit images were finally released and the then chief investigating officer Andy Redwood said the timeline leading up to Madeleine’s disappearance was being rewritten, especially the 90 minutes between 8.30pm, when the McCanns left their children to go to the restaurant and 10pm, when they discovered their daughter missing.

A reward of Ł20,000 was offered to anyone who could assist with the investigation. But then the story of the Smith sighting took another bizarre twist as allegations emerged in the media that the family had retracted their statements. The public were being told that this potentially critical development was just another red herring.

The BBC even went as far as to make this claim. In a ‘Panorama’ programme broadcast in May 2017 to mark the tenth anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance, presenter Richard Bilton told viewers that the Smiths had changed their mind about seeing Gerry McCann and now believed they had seen someone else.

In recent weeks, I have spoken to Martin Smith at his home in Drogheda. He told me he continues to stand by everything he said to police in 2007. At no point did he withdraw his statement or change his mind about the sighting.



He is frustrated by media claims that he now says he was mistaken; and remains “60-80 per cent” convinced that the man he saw that night was Gerry McCann.

After the BBC programme was broadcast, Martin contacted ‘Panorama’ and informed them of their inaccuracy. But the broadcaster failed to correct the record despite its public service remit.

Last month, I asked the BBC why they had wrongly suggested the Smith sighting had been withdrawn and if they were willing to correct their error at this late stage.

I received a reply acknowledging that they had indeed broadcast an inaccuracy. They agreed to update the ‘Panorama’ programme on their iPlayer to reflect the correction. They say the mistake was made in good faith but they have failed to explain how they came to make such a fundamental error and why they did not check if their story about the Smiths was correct before they aired the programme.

Former Scotland Yard murder detective Colin Sutton is one of a number of experienced officers who believe the Smith sighting is one of the most important pieces of evidence available to the investigation.

According to media reports, Sutton had been tipped to head up the new probe by British police in 2010. He claims he received a call shortly after these reports from a high-ranking friend in the Met who warned him not to take on the job as he would not be happy being told what he could and could not look at.

Several aspects of the new investigation perplex him including the apparent decision by Operation Grange not to question Gerry and Kate McCann or their friends again.

“Looking at the background to the whole case again, inconvenient suggestions like the Smith sightings, have been dismissed on a number of occasions”, he says:

“When someone comes forward like that, it must be taken very seriously. It wasn’t just a throwaway phone call. It was something quite specific. The fact that Mr Smith’s memory was triggered by seeing Gerry Mc Cann carrying the child down the steps of the plane is quite relevant because I think that is how the mind works. It is a trigger I would take quite seriously.”

“I can see no reason why Martin Smith would make up these claims. He has nothing to gain from doing so”.

https://villagemagazine.ie/index.php...end-the-truth/

[LeatherTrumpet]

Top comment for that "article" says it all

I find this implausible. Eye witness testimony is notoriously unreliable. To suddenly 'remember' the appearance of someone you passed in the dark days after the event when the couple had been plastered all over the TV. Not buying it. The Smiths are likely in thrall to false memories. If the parents had done something to the child I doubt they could have disposed of the body so completely. And I doubt they would have endevoured to stay in the public eye so long. They have suffered enough and these articles are little more than casual cruelty.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Top comment for that "article" says it all

I find this implausible. Eye witness testimony is notoriously unreliable. To suddenly 'remember' the appearance of someone you passed in the dark days after the event when the couple had been plastered all over the TV. Not buying it. The Smiths are likely in thrall to false memories. If the parents had done something to the child I doubt they could have disposed of the body so completely. And I doubt they would have endevoured to stay in the public eye so long. They have suffered enough and these articles are little more than casual cruelty.

They where searching for Madeline at one point and found a man that been missing dead in a well a long time after he went missing

[thesheriff443]

In this country the person who reports a murder is a suspect.