[arista]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

His ego definitely took a knock when she passed the test

Youtube video

[parmnion]

25grands worth i think.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Anyone who is genuinely OK with THIS for any reason...

Come on. I don't even have anything to say tbqfh. There is no excuse.

It looks worse as it's a GIF as the movements are repeated over and over, he looks like he did it a couple of times.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

It looks worse as it's a GIF as the movements are repeated over and over, he looks like he did it a couple of times.

Yes TS is manipulating facts into fake news

this must stop

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

for some reason, I couldn't focus on the punching

I can't for the life of me find what has distracted you bots.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

It looks worse as it's a GIF as the movements are repeated over and over, he looks like he did it a couple of times.

And that isn't a problem? He punched a girl half his size in the back of the head, twice, whilst she was pinned to the ground. There's just no excuse for it.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

And that isn't a problem? He punched a girl half his size in the back of the head, twice, whilst she was pinned to the ground. There's just no excuse for it.

yes there is she was resisting arrest and he was trying to stop her, what sex she is is irrelevant, she is a violent criminal and a danger to society

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes there is she was resisting arrest and he was trying to stop her, what sex she is is irrelevant, she is a violent criminal and a danger to society

"Punch in the back of the head while pinned" is not an acceptable method of detaining anyone, and the fact that they have been de facto suspended pending investigation confirms that.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

"Punch in the back of the head while pinned" is not an acceptable method of detaining anyone, and the fact that they have been de facto suspended pending investigation confirms that.

it was aimed at the arm as per training but she moved as can happen. They are suspended as would happen in any situation like this and will soon be cleared. Hopefully this vile perp will be behind bars soon.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

it was aimed at the arm as per training but she moved as can happen. They are suspended as would happen in any situation like this and will soon be cleared. Hopefully this vile perp will be behind bars soon.

Well if his aim is that bad, I hope he's kept behind a desk because I'm worried about him carrying a gun.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Well if his aim is that bad, I hope he's kept behind a desk because I'm worried about him carrying a gun.

Its a Filmed experience
That officer will get re- trained
before going back on the road.


TS
body cams are great.
It can be used in education.


Feel The Force

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Well if his aim is that bad, I hope he's kept behind a desk because I'm worried about him carrying a gun.

Quite.

I should be shocked that this guy is being defended, but I really am not.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Quite.

I should be shocked that this guy is being defended, but I really am not.

I actually was shocked for some reason, I don't know why.

I mean it's not even about her being female, or half their size, or what she has or hasn't done... If there was a video of Tommy Robinson being arrested that showed him being punched in the head by a police officer like this I'd be just as horrified.

Though funnily enough, I suspect half the people who think this is OK would be up in arms if it WAS Tommy Robinson

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I actually was shocked for some reason, I don't know why.

I mean it's not even about her being female, or half their size, or what she has or hasn't done... If there was a video of Tommy Robinson being arrested that showed him being punched in the head by a police officer like this I'd be just as horrified.

Though funnily enough, I suspect half the people who think this is OK would be up in arms if it WAS Tommy Robinson

Mmhhmm

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I actually was shocked for some reason, I don't know why.

I mean it's not even about her being female, or half their size, or what she has or hasn't done... If there was a video of Tommy Robinson being arrested that showed him being punched in the head by a police officer like this I'd be just as horrified.

Though funnily enough, I suspect half the people who think this is OK would be up in arms if it WAS Tommy Robinson

Preach it

[LeatherTrumpet]

yes and why am i not surprised that the violent criminal is defended and not condemned in a dash to bash police

(until, that is you need to call them...)

[Vicky.]

Its one thing arresting a violent criminal...its quite another for them to be punching them rather than restraining them, UNLESS there is actually no other way of arresting them, in which case of course more force is needed (though I cannot think of a time when someone would need to be punched in the head while already restrained tbh). But with this officer like twice the size of the person they are arresting, and also already having them on the deck...well..

And the only time I have ever called the police was when I was 15 and my mothers boyfriend was threatening to kill her. The police told me there was nothing they could do until he actually 'did something' and basically told me to piss off. A few mins later he came crashing through our sitting room window and after a huge struggle during which my mother got a black eye, I had to get my younger siblings upstairs out of the way and leave him beating my mother, I then managed to restrain him with a knife across his throat (I did not cut him, but he was way too strong for me to pin to the wall or anything for long so it was all I could think of tbh, sometimes I regret not just cutting him too, would have saved my mother getting another beating). The police finally did come then, and locked me up too, when if they had just done their job to start with then it would not have happened. They then released him without charge too. THey also released me without charge mind. But then the same thing happened again a few days later and they finally did lock him up and keep him there. So yeah, I have not much faith in the police in general...but there is still a huge difference between reasonable force and punching someone in the back of the head when they are on the floor.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes and why am i not surprised that the violent criminal is defended and not condemned in a dash to bash police

(until, that is you need to call them...)

I haven't seen anyone say she shouldn't have been arrested but they force they used in doing so was quite blatantly unreasonable and excessive, and despite your claims, I can find no evidence (anywhere) to suggest that any sort of punching, anywhere on the body, is "standard" for getting someone into cuffs. Let alone punching in the head / neck (we'll just ignore the claim that he was aiming for her arms because it's daft). The claim that she might secretly have had a knife squirrelled away inside her swimsuit is also pretty ludicrous. "Hey she might have been a Komodo Dragon in disguise, and when her lizard head popped out of her disguise of human flesh and bit that officer, sepsis and death would likely follow!!"

Again let's take her totally out of the equation. A police officer being aggressive and escalating a tense situation into an actively aggressive one endangers everyone. Himself (though that's his call) but also his partner and other officers, as well as bystanders. It's not acceptable for multiple reasons, not just "bleeding heart for the dirty crims".

[LeatherTrumpet]

The mayor of the beach town meanwhile vehemently defended the police and said the woman is no angel.

An attorney for 20-year-old Emily Weinman of Philadelphia told Philly.com the charges against Weinman are exaggerated. Wildwood, New Jersey Mayor Ernie Troiano defended the police Tuesday, noting Weinman was "by far the aggressor here" and pointing out that women can be harder to subdue than men.

We're not dealing with an angel here. She chose to take on the police. The police did their job," said Troiano, who added he's a former bouncer and doorman. "(Women) can be hard to control. They're kicking. They don't care."

Troiano told Philly.com that Weinman "chose to attack the officer, spit on the officer."

"Look I don't care who you are and what you are, the worst people (to try to subdue) are women," he said.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/ar...photo-15635267

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The mayor of the beach town meanwhile vehemently defended the police and said the woman is no angel.

An attorney for 20-year-old Emily Weinman of Philadelphia told Philly.com the charges against Weinman are exaggerated. Wildwood, New Jersey Mayor Ernie Troiano defended the police Tuesday, noting Weinman was "by far the aggressor here" and pointing out that women can be harder to subdue than men.

We're not dealing with an angel here. She chose to take on the police. The police did their job," said Troiano, who added he's a former bouncer and doorman. "(Women) can be hard to control. They're kicking. They don't care."

Troiano told Philly.com that Weinman "chose to attack the officer, spit on the officer."

"Look I don't care who you are and what you are, the worst people (to try to subdue) are women," he said.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/ar...photo-15635267

A detailed and thoughtful analysis of the situation from Mayor Meathead isn't going to change anyone's mind on this LT.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

A detailed and thoughtful analysis of the situation from Mayor Meathead isn't going to change anyone's mind on this LT.

Id imagine he speaks quite well for the law abiding community he represents..

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Id imagine he speaks quite well for the law abiding community he represents..

The eyewitness on the video on the link you just posted, a member of the community he represents;

"I do respect the police and I thank them for the jobs that they do... it's just this one incident that I found really disturbing, and I thought that somebody should be talking about it. Justification for punching anybody in the face, as a superior... I feel that isn't the best way to handle a situation."

I'd imagine she speaks quite well for the other half of that law abiding community. Maybe she should be Mayor instead?

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

"Punch in the back of the head while pinned" is not an acceptable method of detaining anyone, and the fact that they have been de facto suspended pending investigation confirms that.

That doesn't mean anything. Some departments will run investigations per policy. A "Use of Force" has to be documented and there is almost always an investigation. Could be something so minor, but the paperwork is C-Y-A. Even the spitting has to be documented for insurance. We receive constant paperwork through the mail from Workmans' Comp anytime my husband is spat or if he comes into contact with other bodily fluids...

The paperwork is usually reviewed by other divisions, which means sometime before his shift or on an off-day, he will get a call and sit in front of someone who puts him through the third degree to get him to 'confess' or change his statement. Other times they just have questions that don't affect him (as far as he's aware), but maybe other witnesses, so he is asked to provide testimony and to sign. They almost always give a gag order to not speak to other people about the incident while it's still pending investigation.

That doesn't mean that certain things won't fall through the cracks. Even when other officers report something that doesn't look right, it still happens... of course it's not uncommon for people to get themselves fired before the investigation even concludes... which can take several months to a year. Sometimes a video/leak ends up in the media, way after the fact when most of the people involved are not longer employed, so they will pull people in to try to get as many under the bus as quickly as possible...

In this case, it's probably mandatory, but maybe also being done more as a precaution. Especially if there is a likelihood this will turn into a lawsuit, once the media get involved... the dept may have to defend the arrest in court, so it's important their lawyers need to know what they are defending.

Anyway, video doesn't show everything, which is why it's important to get witness testimony and it could be the lady had some warrants... hence "Failure to ID", but it depends on how much force she was using whether punching in the back of the head was necessary... some investigators will say too much was used, especially when it done in a particularly aggressive way... like punching them or mishandling them while handcuffed is a big no-no. They're not allowed to strike the neck in the front, but they can use the pressure point at the bottom of the neck. So it really just depends on the particular method behind the "use of force"... but there's usually some policy that says how and when force should be used as a general guideline.