[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

But talking about it with the lads isn't.

It's the act itself which is the offence; if you brag about it afterwards you've still committed the offence. He is currently embroiled in an important charge against him made by a former contestant on the apprentice that's in the process of progressing through the courts, which may force the surrendering of all the tapes that are currently hidden away by Mark Burnett (creator of the apprentice). It is well known there is some severe stuff on these tapes.

But hey, maybe he was just talking with the lads, and all these women have made stuff up, including his former wife.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

It's the act itself which is the offence; if you brag about it afterwards you've still committed the offence. He is currently embroiled in an important charge against him made by a former contestant on the apprentice that's in the process of progressing through the courts, which may force the surrendering of all the tapes that are currently hidden away by Mark Burnett (creator of the apprentice). It is well known there is some severe stuff on these tapes.

But hey, maybe he was just talking with the lads, and all these women have made stuff up, including his former wife.

I dont think you would make a great detective

[Alf]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

It's the act itself which is the offence; if you brag about it afterwards you've still committed the offence. He is currently embroiled in an important charge against him made by a former contestant on the apprentice that's in the process of progressing through the courts, which may force the surrendering of all the tapes that are currently hidden away by Mark Burnett (creator of the apprentice). It is well known there is some severe stuff on these tapes.

But hey, maybe he was just talking with the lads, and all these women have made stuff up, including his former wife.

But you say Trump is liar, so why would you believe him when he's bragging about that?

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

It's the act itself which is the offence; if you brag about it afterwards you've still committed the offence. He is currently embroiled in an important charge against him made by a former contestant on the apprentice that's in the process of progressing through the courts, which may force the surrendering of all the tapes that are currently hidden away by Mark Burnett (creator of the apprentice). It is well known there is some severe stuff on these tapes.

But hey, maybe he was just talking with the lads, and all these women have made stuff up, including his former wife.

Can you post links to this supposed severe stuff?

I would like to check its believability please.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Can you post links to this supposed severe stuff?

I would like to check its believability please.

Mark Burnett is the only one who has the tapes, but those that worked on the show know there are some extremely unsavoury things on them

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a7986081.html

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-sexual...e-tapes-909013

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ape-tom-arnold

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I dont think you would make a great detective

Wow, another great contribution to add to your list of other great contributions.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

But you say Trump is liar, so why would you believe him when he's bragging about that?

Because there are women who've accused him of sexual assault (including his wife) from way before the access hollywood tapes were released.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Because there are women who've accused him of sexual assault (including his wife) from way before the access hollywood tapes were released.

So if women make those accusations about a billionaire, they must be true?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Alf

The cake business doesn't sell gay wedding cakes. This woman was ejected from a restaurant because of her job.

The business rejected them ultimately because of their sexuality.

You can't twist this situation into being different than the cake situation, if that situation was fine and dandy then no one who believes that the bakery situation was resolved correctly can complain about this at all.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

So if women make those accusations about a billionaire, they must be true?

If multiple women independently make claims of sexual assault against someone, then I think any sane person would admit there may be truth.

Bill Gates is a billionaire, how many women have made sexual assault complaints against him? Has his own wife accused him of rape too?

Alf, what is your opinion?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The business rejected them ultimately because of their sexuality.

You can't twist this situation into being different than the cake situation, if that situation was fine and dandy then no one who believes that the bakery situation was resolved correctly can complain about this at all.

No, they just don't sell gay wedding cakes. So just go to a shop that does.

If I went into a shop, believing it to sell bacon, and then they told me they didn't, I'd just go elswhere, I certainly wouldn't call Reuters.

But if I worked at Asda, and I decided to go to a restaurant, and the owner kicked me out because they don't like Asda, then I'd think that they are a see you next Tuesday.

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Going up to people and kissing and/or grabbing them by the pussy is sexual assault.

Sure
but that was well before Trump was in Power
12 years back.


Bill Clinton was President
and doing Sexual Assualt

[Alf]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

If multiple women independently make claims of sexual assault against someone, then I think any sane person would admit there may be truth.

Bill Gates is a billionaire, how many women have made sexual assault complaints against him? Has his own wife accused him of rape too?

Alf, what is your opinion?

I don't know about Gates, never looked into it, although I see him more as a geek than someone constantly around different woman.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Alf

The cake business doesn't sell gay wedding cakes. This woman was ejected from a restaurant because of her job.

Yes
its getting President Trump more support
Again

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

I don't know about Gates, never looked into it, although I see him more as a geek than someone constantly around different woman.

What's your opinion on trump and his accusers?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

What's your opinion on trump and his accusers?

Well his kids have stayed with him, and they'd know more about it than me.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Alf

No, they just don't sell gay wedding cakes. So just go to a shop that does.

If I went into a shop, believing it to sell bacon, and then they told me they didn't, I'd just go elswhere, I certainly wouldn't call Reuters.

But if I worked at Asda, and I decided to go to a restaurant, and the owner kicked me out because they don't like Asda, then I'd think that they are a see you next Tuesday.

They sold custom cakes to the spec of the customer. They rejected the customer because of their attitudes towards homsexuality.

Again, any justification you have to say on it doesn't really matter because at the end of the day this restaurant is as entitlted to reject Sanders' custom as that bakery was to reject custom on the grounds of their opposition to homsexuality.

You can't pick and choose, If you agree with the bakery's right to refuse custom then you can't oppose this situation. The precedent has been set.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

What's your opinion on trump and his accusers?

They're all lying and just after his money.

There you go, there's an opinion, now what happens?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

They're all lying and just after his money.

There you go, there's an opinion, now what happens?

Congratulations, you've taken the first step towards being a constructive poster.

Come 'ere you big goofball. I can't stay mad at you

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Mark Burnett is the only one who has the tapes, but those that worked on the show know there are some extremely unsavoury things on them

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a7986081.html

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-sexual...e-tapes-909013

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ape-tom-arnold

some person makes a claim from 11 years ago trying to make a buck?

puleeze

reaching or what

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Mark Burnett is the only one who has the tapes, but those that worked on the show know there are some extremely unsavoury things on them

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a7986081.html

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-sexual...e-tapes-909013

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ape-tom-arnold

Oh thanks..ive judged its believability....sorry but without the tapes i dont believe it.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Oh thanks..ive judged its believability....sorry but without the tapes i dont believe it.

Eh? There's nothing to believe. The point I made earlier in the thread was that one of his accusers has been given the go-ahead to take her case forward, and part of the discovery involved in this could/should lead to the releasing of these tapes. I wasn't saying the fact they exist is any evidence of anything.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The business rejected them ultimately because of their sexuality.

You can't twist this situation into being different than the cake situation, if that situation was fine and dandy then no one who believes that the bakery situation was resolved correctly can complain about this at all.

This is just blatantly UNTRUE. The bakery served other Gay customers but objected to the message on this specific cake order.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

This is just blatantly UNTRUE. The bakery served other Gay customers but objected to the message on this specific cake order.

Yes, they rejected the order based on their homophobic views. Your trying to change the wording but you can't change the meaning.

You can't agree with people rejecting customers because of their homophobia and then oppose someone rejecting custom from a government official because they disagree with the direction the government is going.

That's picking and choosing. If you agree with the former, you can't oppose the latter.

[Maru]

Imo, if we just keep up with the -phobics, -ist labels... that will lead to the opposite intended result come election time. Those attitudes are already starting to backfire and will lead to those folk who act with indignance to find themselves further isolated...

There are all kinds of worldviews in the world we share with other ppl and we can focus on only just one, and probably inconvenient to have to bother with anyone elses, but I feel like that is living with head in the clouds and only harmful to that person /w a narrow view. Just because we see it our way doesn't mean there aren't other ppl who see another... bigotry to me is being spiteful/venomous towards others when we refuse to accept ppl who outside our own culture. The business owner was following his deeply held religious beliefs... and there is no indication his purpose was malicious here. Just to reiterate, but to try to force our own worldviews will only lead to activists further isolating themselves... will only make them miserable as ppl will eventually move on.

I'm fine w the owner kicking out Sanders. We share the world with other ppl, it is not all about us... to live in a world where we have to only accomodate to one group though is not only an unrealistic way of thinking, but is a one-sided worldview. Anyway, the more I hear this rhetoric, the less I care... eventually just won't bother with it anymore to assist those movements which have become so self-referential. It is just not worth it, pleasing those folk anymore. I believe in treating people with humility and tolerance.. not venomous rhetoric.