[Maru]

[Tom4784]

Beginning of the end for Trump.

[bitontheslide]

[bitontheslide]

[arista]

Originally Posted by Maru

Yeah, that was... I don't want to say a disaster, because a lot more could've gone wrong. His focus on hating on the press and protecting his own ego is such that he's willing to throw the entire intelligence community under the bus... that is how it sounded right at the end before they walked off.

On the positive, it sounds like there are beginnings of a foundation there being built for the US/Russia relationships to improve, whereever that leads. I'd be excited that Putin so willing to send people here to help us with our invesigations, etc, if I didn't think that would be another backdoor to spy on us ... Putin is a former intelligence officer after all, and Trump is a former businessman, sure, but he's not a hardened dictator...

So I'm a little bit nervous about how badly that could go if Trump ignores our own intelligence agencies and decides to take up Putin's offering(s) without acceptable pre-conditions... another way I read that, Putin could have also been taking advantage of Trump's willingness to arm himself with any sort of knowledge that would help him to win the fight in the media... something he is clearly still preoccupied with at this point.

See if he back tracks , this morning.

[arista]

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Maru

Yeah, that was... I don't want to say a disaster, because a lot more could've gone wrong. His focus on hating on the press and protecting his own ego is such that he's willing to throw the entire intelligence community under the bus... that is how it sounded right at the end before they walked off.

On the positive, it sounds like there are beginnings of a foundation there being built for the US/Russia relationships to improve, whereever that leads. I'd be excited that Putin so willing to send people here to help us with our invesigations, etc, if I didn't think that would be another backdoor to spy on us ... Putin is a former intelligence officer after all, and Trump is a former businessman, sure, but he's not a hardened dictator...

So I'm a little bit nervous about how badly that could go if Trump ignores our own intelligence agencies and decides to take up Putin's offering(s) without acceptable pre-conditions... another way I read that, Putin could have also been taking advantage of Trump's willingness to arm himself with any sort of knowledge that would help him to win the fight in the media... something he is clearly still preoccupied with at this point.

This is absurd; your president was up at the podium kissing the arse of a dictator who murders journalists, attacked your country, and undertook a chemical weapons attack on British soil, and he was armed only with multiple debunked conspiracy theories concerning servers and pakistani dudes.

Your response? A lot more could have gone wrong and it's positive we may have better relations with russia.

It's this kind of mealy mouthed response that allows trump to get away with supporting the charlottesville Nazi's, backing a child molester for senate, and the other litany of crimes and misdemeanors he's gotten away with already.

[arista]

"podium kissing the arse of a dictator who murders journalists"

Yes Russian Journalists
were killed by a sub group
that can not be connected to Putin.


but so does Fecking China



Our Former PM
took the China leader to his local pub
for fish /chips just before the EU vote

[Livia]

This has to be the beginning of the end for Trump, surely?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

"podium kissing the arse of a dictator who murders journalists"

Yes Russian Journalists
were killed by a sub group
that can not be connected to Putin.


but so does Fecking China



Our Former PM
took the China leader to his local pub
for fish /chips just before the EU vote

In a dictatorship, nothing like this happens without the express authorisation of the person in charge. You're being naive a best, if you think journalists criticising putin and his regime, are being murdered without purpose or reason. Everything is connected to putin, as reported by other journalists that now live in fear for their lives too.

I also find it illuminating that you decided to leave out the part of my sentence that highlighted the attack on the USA and the chemical weapons attack in Britain, neither of which were undertaken by the chinese.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Livia

This has to be the beginning of the end for Trump, surely?

let's hope so
but republicans will try to explain that away somehow, they always do

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

In a dictatorship, nothing like this happens without the express authorisation of the person in charge. You're being naive a best, if you think journalists criticising putin and his regime, are being murdered without purpose or reason. Everything is connected to putin, as reported by other journalists that now live in fear for their lives too.

I also find it illuminating that you decided to leave out the part of my sentence that highlighted the attack on the USA and the chemical weapons attack in Britain, neither of which were undertaken by the chinese.

No I am not
I am saying Putin's Russia
will not change.

The only reason
I put China in there
was to say - you can not change a nation's leader.

Trump does deals.



I enjoyed that BBC2HD Docu on Putin
when he brought a dog in the room to upset the
German leader.


Putin is a Dictator
but Gas supply's matter more

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

This has to be the beginning of the end for Trump, surely?

They said the same with that Hooker
from 2006
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...lifford-sharks

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

No I am not
I am saying Putin's Russia
will not change.

The only reason
I put China in there
was to say - you can not change a nation's leader.

Trump does deals.



I enjoyed that BBC2HD Docu on Putin
when he brought a dog in the room to upset the
German leader.


Putin is a Dictator
but Gas supply's matter more

What deals has trump done? Russia has to sell gas because their economy is pretty terrible. They already have sanctions imposed on them, and they are still desperate to deal their gas. They would shoot themselves in the foot if they stopped to prove a point.

The president of the US stood next to a russian dictator and spewed all of russia's talking points for them. What a deal maker he is. Let's rejoice.

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

What deals has trump done? Russia has to sell gas because their economy is pretty terrible. They already have sanctions imposed on them, and they are still desperate to deal their gas. They would shoot themselves in the foot if they stopped to prove a point.

The president of the US stood next to a russian dictator and spewed all of russia's talking points for them. What a deal maker he is. Let's rejoice.

He moved the Embassy in the Middle East.
That was a deal he said he would do


Yes Trump can stand with North Korea
or Russia,
he is one of a kind.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

He moved the Embassy in the Middle East.
That was deal he said he would do


Yes Trump can stand with North Korea
or Russia,
he is one of a kind.

He didn't do that deal, it was US policy; it's just that previous presidents had the sense to show restraint.

You said deals, plural, so what other deals has he done?

When you lie with
dogs, you
get fleas.

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

He didn't do that deal, it was US policy; it's just that previous presidents had the sense to show restraint.

You said deals, plural, so what other deals has he done?

When you lie with
dogs, you
get fleas.

Deals being done daily

USA Policy I call a deal.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

Deals being done daily

USA Policy I call a deal.

Just give me a few examples of deals he has done then. Should be easy?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

let's hope so
but republicans will try to explain that away somehow, they always do

Actually I'm pretty sure the vast majority of them are up in arms against him. I'm fairly certain only his hardcore fans are still supporting him at this point. He definitely doesn't have many political allies left in the US.

[Northern Monkey]

What’s that American expression again?

Oh yeah

He done goofed there.

Even Fox News turned on Trump.

He may be fecked.

I don’t necessarily believe all the conspiracies about Russia.Alot of media demonisation

But!Siding with an enemy nation over your own intelligence services is huuugggee.
I wouldn’t think he could stay in office?

[GiRTh]

Many saying beginning of the end. It should be but I doubt it. Just the optics of Putin throwing Donnie the ball, mentioning he used to be a KGB director and laughing when asked directly if he had dirt on Trump and of course Donnie siding against his intelligence agency. It all said Strong leader V clown. Should be enough to end it but I still dont know.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Actually I'm pretty sure the vast majority of them are up in arms against him. I'm fairly certain only his hardcore fans are still supporting him at this point. He definitely doesn't have many political allies left in the US.

The Congress Republicans still follow him

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ssia-treachery

[parmnion]

Trump uniting the world...seems like its week after week to me.


This bloke deserves more than the peace prize he will collect sometime in his tenure as prez...8 yrs hopefully, the worlds coming together now.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Many saying beginning of the end. It should be but I doubt it. Just the optics of Putin throwing Donnie the ball, mentioning he used to be a KGB director and laughing when asked directly if he had dirt on Trump and of course Donnie siding against his intelligence agency. It all said Strong leader V clown. Should be enough to end it but I still dont know.

I doubt it too - though this is undoubtedly the lamest goof he has made.

I think we will be seeing him rechristened 'Teflon Trump'.

[Maru]

I don't think that the press and public opinion being upset with him is enough to get someone impeached. So I don't understand going on about how a conversation will be the end of Trump, etc. He's our elected president, so we don't really have a choice in the matter of whether or not to deal with Trump or his appointees...

One of the conservative sites immediately pointed out how terrible this came out, but yeah in the comment sections, users were quick to attack the writer(s) and so yes even his staunchest fans will think he is doing perfectly fine and Trump gonna be Trump, etc.

I don't think it's OK the way he threw our intelligence agencies under the bus to come out looking better politically. The reaction would've been 100x worse if it were the military and I think the right specifically would have an issue with this. This isn't any better though imo for me as both communities are quite deeply entrenched in one another. I also have intelligence people in the family, so to hear this outloud is damaging to not only their morale, but they will still do their job(s) despite that rhetoric...

Is it the most damaging thing he could've ever done? Absolutely not. He could've signed a 5-yr deal yesterday or something that had major implications for us all, on the basis of those incendiary commentaries... but no, it seems more like he's concerned about coming off like he's completely innocent in an open investigation. I'm less worried about how he will appear in the press (I couldn't care less about this aspect) than I am about how that will affect our efficacy abroad and whether or not certain red flags go unchecked if they do decide to cooperate in the background, etc... that worries me, but at the same time, I know first hand the type of people that network and work in those backgrounds and they are the highest breed when it comes to integrity and national priorities... I don't think those folk would stand idly by if they had a choice in the matter.

The comment I disliked the most was about the time they were walking out and he slammed the entire FBI. Yes, slam the way it's being run and how so many leaks and biases are going unchecked... but surely the entire organization isn't irreconcilable? That was my biggest issue with the press conference.

If the conference emphasized anything for me, it was that we need this investigation to be closed as soon as possible. Not really just because we need to put this behind us (that's going to take much longer imo), but because folk here really do deserve answers as to what is going on not only in front of us in these conferences, but behind the scenes in terms of what sort of obsfiscation is possibly going on... whether it's Trump or some other orchestrated effort, it's important the people have those details. All the rest is just partisan bickering/nonsense and I tune out after that point...