[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

We are talking murder here, perhaps rape as well...this isnt your petty thief.

And to me it doesnt look like the system can mend them...

You can't mend evil despite throwing millions of taxpayers money at them ........Venables is evil and if not locked up for life could kill again

[Toy Soldier]

What a horrible story .

I think we should wait until there's an official report on what actually happened before jumping to bizarre conclusions, though. Not really helpful.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

You can't mend evil despite throwing millions of taxpayers money at them ........Venables is evil and if not locked up for life could kill again

My point exactly..its futile.

Only way is to dope them up enough so they cant move.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

You can't mend evil despite throwing millions of taxpayers money at them ........Venables is evil and if not locked up for life could kill again

Same goes for Tommy Robinson aswell

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

What a horrible story .

I think we should wait until there's an official report on what actually happened before jumping to bizarre conclusions, though. Not really helpful.

Yup, the bloodthirstiness doesn't really help anyone.

It's a horrible situation, I can only hope it's resolved quickly and the killer is brought to justice.

Imagine the paranoia this attack would have brought into the community, this is the kind of incident that will probably change that town forever.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by parmnion

My point exactly..its futile.

Only way is to dope them up enough so they cant move.

This isn't really true or accurate though, the successful rehabilitation rate of child offenders is actually very high (much higher than the rate for adult prisoners), someone like Venables is an extreme example of it not working, but he is the exception rather than the rule.

Many child offenders had no idea what they were doing at the time and are completely non-violent as adults.

Also the reason for not locking up child offenders in adult prisons isn't just for the protection of the child from violence. In fact, most "hardened" criminals WOULDN'T harm a child. More likely scenario is that career criminals would end up taking child prisoners "under their wing" for the years that they're in there and by the time they're released, they'll be criminal mini-me's ripe for reoffending.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This isn't really true or accurate though, the successful rehabilitation rate of child offenders is actually very high (much higher than the rate for adult prisoners), someone like Venables is an extreme example of it not working, but he is the exception rather than the rule.

Many child offenders had no idea what they were doing at the time and are completely non-violent as adults.

Also the reason for not locking up child offenders in adult prisons isn't just for the protection of the child from violence. In fact, most "hardened" criminals WOULDN'T harm a child. More likely scenario is that career criminals would end up taking child prisoners "under their wing" for the years that they're in there and by the time they're released, they'll be criminal mini-me's ripe for reoffending.

Well said my friend

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This isn't really true or accurate though, the successful rehabilitation rate of child offenders is actually very high (much higher than the rate for adult prisoners), someone like Venables is an extreme example of it not working, but he is the exception rather than the rule.

Many child offenders had no idea what they were doing at the time and are completely non-violent as adults.

Also the reason for not locking up child offenders in adult prisons isn't just for the protection of the child from violence. In fact, most "hardened" criminals WOULDN'T harm a child. More likely scenario is that career criminals would end up taking child prisoners "under their wing" for the years that they're in there and by the time they're released, they'll be criminal mini-me's ripe for reoffending.

I would like a better break down on the crimes committed and the figures for each crime.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I would like a better break down on the crimes committed and the figures for each crime.

I don't have them or really time to look deeply into it right now, though I'm sure they can be found. Off the top of my head - reoffending rates for petty crime (theft, destruction of property etc.) is higher in juveniles than adults but serious violent crime (long sentences) is lower. Also far lower where high standards of education / mental health treatment are offered compared to purely punitive incarceration, so much so that there are huge calls for an overhaul of the juvenile detention system to make it less punitive. The only argument against it, basically, is that it "leaves a bad taste in people's mouths" if it looks like offenders are "getting it too easy". Even though "making it harder" increases the risk of reoffending. People have a revenge mindset that just isn't helpful.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This isn't really true or accurate though, the successful rehabilitation rate of child offenders is actually very high (much higher than the rate for adult prisoners), someone like Venables is an extreme example of it not working, but he is the exception rather than the rule.

Many child offenders had no idea what they were doing at the time and are completely non-violent as adults.

Also the reason for not locking up child offenders in adult prisons isn't just for the protection of the child from violence. In fact, most "hardened" criminals WOULDN'T harm a child. More likely scenario is that career criminals would end up taking child prisoners "under their wing" for the years that they're in there and by the time they're released, they'll be criminal mini-me's ripe for reoffending.

I actually don't agree with this, As my children have grown up the children in the neighbourhood who were horrible bullies have remained so, with charges of domestic violence and/ or child neglect. NOT ALL from lone parent families I might add.
It's a small random longitudinal study but that's my finding.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I actually don't agree with this, As my children have grown up the children in the neighbourhood who were horrible bullies have remained so, with charges of domestic violence and/ or child neglect. NOT ALL from lone parent families I might add.
It's a small random longitudinal study but that's my finding.

I'm speaking more along the lines of one-off serious incidents (involving serious injury or death that would result in a lengthy juvenile detention spell). Kids who are just generally highly aggressive usually come from aggressive homes, and that very sadly is something that is often passed down through the generations. It takes a LOT for a bully to end up with a non-custodial charge of any kind beyond a warning, let alone prison.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm speaking more along the lines of one-off serious incidents (involving serious injury or death that would result in a lengthy juvenile detention spell). Kids who are just generally highly aggressive usually come from aggressive homes, and that very sadly is something that is often passed down through the generations. It takes a LOT for a bully to end up with a non-custodial charge of any kind beyond a warning, let alone prison.

Well where I would agree with that in part there are also exceptions, nothing is set in stone.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Dad had taken her to his parents home, the Mam found out via Facebook that she was missing ( very wrong) but its neither Dad or Grandad who's done it, its someone a lot younger, poor little lass

Genie (the little girls mum lives just up from my sister) she actually found out Alesha had been murdered on fb not just missing, absolutely horrific tbh.

Its a 16 year old boy known to the family thtough the dads gf thats apparently been arrested.

[arista]

https://news.sky.com/story/boy-16-ch...phail-11427184

The 16 year old lad has now been charged with Murder

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by arista

https://news.sky.com/story/boy-16-ch...phail-11427184

The 16 year old lad has now been charged with Murder

I heard Arista,aw I bet he is too young to know what he was doing

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Josy

Genie (the little girls mum lives just up from my sister) she actually found out Alesha had been murdered on fb not just missing, absolutely horrific tbh.

Its a 16 year old boy known to the family thtough the dads gf thats apparently been arrested.

That's horrific! I can't imagine what they're going through

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by arista

https://news.sky.com/story/boy-16-ch...phail-11427184

The 16 year old lad has now been charged with Murder

Is that to young to name him in scotland?

[Josy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Is that to young to name him in scotland?

Yes

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Josy

Yes

What about me posting from england?

[Josy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

What about me posting from england?

I already know the boys name but wont post it online, best no one else posts it either, it could impact the case negatively.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Josy

I already know the boys name but wont post it online, best no one else posts it either, it could impact the case negatively.

Ok...

[LaLaLand]

Such an awful case. 16 years old, Jesus.

[Josy]

16 year old just got charged with rape and murder of Alesha

That poor wee girl its such a shame

Court also released a statement saying its a criminal offence in Scottish law to release the boys name due to his age.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Josy

16 year old just got charged with rape and murder of Alesha

That poor wee girl its such a shame

Court also released a statement saying its a criminal offence in Scottish law to release the boys name due to his age.

Evil Boy.

[bitontheslide]

words fail me