[Brillopad]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...main-sh5n8vchq

Unfortunately this is the effect of all the games being played by the remainers and their total disrespect for the outcome of a valid public vote. Both extremes are now in play and dominating Brexit and the political spectrum in general. They reap what they sow I think.

People just want what they voted for - out of the EU and making our own way in the world and not being forced by the EU to abide by their rules on many issues.

[Withano]

I dont think thats the correct conclusion tbf

Tories are right
Ukip are far right (debatably)

May has ****ed brexit up to heavens and back

Brexiteers are no longer tory supporters

You can blame it on the lefties if ya like, I just think my reasoning I thought up off the top of my head this second is probably more accurate

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

I dont think thats the correct conclusion tbf

Tories are right
Ukip are far right (debatably)

May have ****ed brexit up to heavens and back

Brexiteers are no longer tory supporters

You can blame it on the lefties if ya like, I just think my reasoning I thought up off the top of my head this second is probably more accurate

May is a remainer at heart hence her wishy, washy efforts at Brexit. We do need to replace her with someone whose heart is in the right place as far as Brexit is concerned. UKIP are not really far-right but have been labelled that way by the Left for obvious reasons. But if this undermining of Brexit continues real far-right groups will likely increase. Cause and effect.

The publics’ reaction to this combined with the remainers constant push to overturn the vote was foreseeable I think- so I believe the conclusion was correct.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

May is a remainer at heart hence her wishy, washy efforts at Brexit. We do need to replace her with someone whose heart is in the right place as far as Brexit is concerned. UKIP are not really far-right but have been labelled that way by the Left for obvious reasons. But if this undermining of Brexit continues real far-right groups will likely increase. Cause and effect.

The publics’ reaction to this combined with the remainers constant push to overturn the vote was foreseeable I think- so I believe the conclusion was correct.

Well the article you selected refers to ukip as far right... so therefore your own thread does too...

[arista]

Sure
you would expect this to happen.

[Withano]

The poll shows that if voters were offered a new vote they would overturn the referendum result, with remaining in the EU beating leaving with no deal by 54% to 46%.

give the people what they want #democracy

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

give the people what they want #democracy

Point proven. Just the type of pushing driving people to extremes.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Point proven. Just the type of pushing driving people to extremes.

Why would you overturn the publics current wishes based on their opinion 2 years ago?

Doesnt seem bery democratic brillo.

Thats why so many people are turning far left. Right wing people trying to ignore their current opinions

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Why would you overturn the publics current wishes based on their opinion 2 years ago?

Doesnt seem bery democratic brillo.

The vote is over. Time to move on.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

The vote is over. Time to move on.

Lots of things are voted on more than once, because mindsets change over time. This may be one of them, especially considering that new polling information that you disregarded from the article you wanted to talk about lol.

[bots]

most people that voted brexit wanted control of immigration back, they wanted to stop paying money to the EU, they wanted to stop being dictated to by an unelected EU.

We still have to trade with the EU, they are our nearest neighbours, so we had to come to some agreement to facilitate that.

Given all the above, on leaving the EU, the UK will be getting pretty much what it wanted. Peoples opinions on the how we do things will always be different, but the principles still remain.

[MB.]

That's funny, when I find myself frustrated I usually use a stress ball, rather than decide to become a neo-Nazi Each to their own

[user104658]

Originally Posted by MB.

That's funny, when I find myself frustrated I usually use a stress ball, rather than decide to become a neo-Nazi Each to their own

Well yes...

In my opinion, very few people "turn hard-right" if they didn't already hold hard-right views, probably keeping them close to the chest. It seems like it would be more accurate to say that anger over Brexit is causing some people's anger to spill over to the point where they will openly express the hard-right views that they previously kept a lid on.

[kirklancaster]

Oversimplification is an unfortunate occurrence on Tibb when it comes to certain subjects - politics being the main one affected.

I am 'Hard-Right' in some of my views, Centre-Left in others and even Liberal in others.

But I agree with T.S about frustration over Brexit causing some people to publicise views which have been long-held but well-hidden.

I'm like that.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Oversimplification is an unfortunate occurrence on Tibb when it comes to certain subjects - politics being the main one affected.

The whole world, sadly, Kirk

[Tom4784]

The brexiters voting in their droves for May's government in the election only have themselves to blame.

Any attempts to blame the left is just pure diversionary bull****. People ****ed up by voting tories because they bought into the 'strong and stable' **** despite all evidence showing that the Tory government go back on everything they said they would do. Too many people chose to vote in ignorance of the facts and a likely soft brexit is exactly what they voted for.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The brexiters voting in their droves for May's government in the election only have themselves to blame.

Any attempts to blame the left is just pure diversionary bull****. People ****ed up by voting tories because they bought into the 'strong and stable' **** despite all evidence showing that the Tory government go back on everything they said they would do. Too many people chose to vote in ignorance of the facts and a likely soft brexit is exactly what they voted for.

Thats Not Fair Dezzy
at that 2017 Election
it was OUT the CUSTOM UNION
OUT THE SINGLE MARKET.

By BOTH party's
Labour as well./

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by arista

Thats Not Fair Dezzy
at that 2017 Election
it was OUT the CUSTOM UNION
OUT THE SINGLE MARKET.

By BOTH party's
Labour as well./

Yet people voted for the party that was known for backtracking to such an extent that they backtracked on not having that election in the first place. That should have sent warning lights blaring but the people that voted for the tories did so anyway. If any of their voters are unhappy with the way brexit is going then they can only blame themselves for ignoring the signs that the Tories would inevitably backpeddle.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Yet people voted for the party that was known for backtracking to such an extent that they backtracked on not having that election in the first place. That should have sent warning lights blaring but the people that voted for the tories did so anyway. If any of their voters are unhappy with the way brexit is going then they can only blame themselves for ignoring the signs that the Tories would inevitably backpeddle.

Dezzy if Labour WON
they also at that day
said OUT OF THE CUSTOM UNION
OUT OF THE SINGLE MARKET



So Either way - Backtracking
for feck sake

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by arista

Dezzy if Labour WON
they also at that day
said OUT OF THE CUSTOM UNION
OUT OF THE SINGLE MARKET



So Either way - Backtracking
for feck sake

What ifs are meaningless, what MIGHT have happened if Labour does not lessen the fact that the Tory voters that voted Tory thinking they'd get the brexit they wanted did so while ignoring the signs.

You're talking about possibilities but the reality of the matter is that we are most likely getting a soft brexit and it's exactly what the people voted for whether they like it or not. They voted for a flip floppy government and they got a flip floppy take on Brexit.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Yet people voted for the party that was known for backtracking to such an extent that they backtracked on not having that election in the first place. That should have sent warning lights blaring but the people that voted for the tories did so anyway. If any of their voters are unhappy with the way brexit is going then they can only blame themselves for ignoring the signs that the Tories would inevitably backpeddle.

Who else could they vote for. An antisemetic hard-Left hypocrite. Knowing what we all know now about both I expect a vote would be very similar. Lack of choice is the real issue.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Who else could they vote for. An antisemetic hard-Left hypocrite. Knowing what we all know now about both I expect a vote would be very similar. Lack of choice is the real issue.

This country is not a two party country. People cant complain if they vote for a party with a history of flip flopping and then they flip on an issue. We were never getting a hard brexit with May yet people voted for the tories. Votes have consequences.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The brexiters voting in their droves for May's government in the election only have themselves to blame.

Any attempts to blame the left is just pure diversionary bull****. People ****ed up by voting tories because they bought into the 'strong and stable' **** despite all evidence showing that the Tory government go back on everything they said they would do. Too many people chose to vote in ignorance of the facts and a likely soft brexit is exactly what they voted for.

A common theme in many of your political posts are "only have their selves to blame", Trump, Tories, Ukip, Brexit etc etc

In other words your disdain for anyone who does not think like you is actually rather disturbing

[Scarlett.]

It's becoming clearer and clearer that the vision of Brexit that the public were sold just cannot be carried out.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dia.

It's becoming clearer and clearer that the vision of Brexit that the public were sold just cannot be carried out.

Utter Rubbish
its not over yet.


Even the EU Parliament take a Holiday next month.