[Brillopad]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...main-sh5n8vchq

Unfortunately this is the effect of all the games being played by the remainers and their total disrespect for the outcome of a valid public vote. Both extremes are now in play and dominating Brexit and the political spectrum in general. They reap what they sow I think.

People just want what they voted for - out of the EU and making our own way in the world and not being forced by the EU to abide by their rules on many issues.

[Withano]

I dont think thats the correct conclusion tbf

Tories are right
Ukip are far right (debatably)

May has ****ed brexit up to heavens and back

Brexiteers are no longer tory supporters

You can blame it on the lefties if ya like, I just think my reasoning I thought up off the top of my head this second is probably more accurate

[arista]

Sure
you would expect this to happen.

[Withano]

The poll shows that if voters were offered a new vote they would overturn the referendum result, with remaining in the EU beating leaving with no deal by 54% to 46%.

give the people what they want #democracy

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

I dont think thats the correct conclusion tbf

Tories are right
Ukip are far right (debatably)

May have ****ed brexit up to heavens and back

Brexiteers are no longer tory supporters

You can blame it on the lefties if ya like, I just think my reasoning I thought up off the top of my head this second is probably more accurate

May is a remainer at heart hence her wishy, washy efforts at Brexit. We do need to replace her with someone whose heart is in the right place as far as Brexit is concerned. UKIP are not really far-right but have been labelled that way by the Left for obvious reasons. But if this undermining of Brexit continues real far-right groups will likely increase. Cause and effect.

The publics’ reaction to this combined with the remainers constant push to overturn the vote was foreseeable I think- so I believe the conclusion was correct.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

May is a remainer at heart hence her wishy, washy efforts at Brexit. We do need to replace her with someone whose heart is in the right place as far as Brexit is concerned. UKIP are not really far-right but have been labelled that way by the Left for obvious reasons. But if this undermining of Brexit continues real far-right groups will likely increase. Cause and effect.

The publics’ reaction to this combined with the remainers constant push to overturn the vote was foreseeable I think- so I believe the conclusion was correct.

Well the article you selected refers to ukip as far right... so therefore your own thread does too...

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

give the people what they want #democracy

Point proven. Just the type of pushing driving people to extremes.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Point proven. Just the type of pushing driving people to extremes.

Why would you overturn the publics current wishes based on their opinion 2 years ago?

Doesnt seem bery democratic brillo.

Thats why so many people are turning far left. Right wing people trying to ignore their current opinions

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Why would you overturn the publics current wishes based on their opinion 2 years ago?

Doesnt seem bery democratic brillo.

The vote is over. Time to move on.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

The vote is over. Time to move on.

Lots of things are voted on more than once, because mindsets change over time. This may be one of them, especially considering that new polling information that you disregarded from the article you wanted to talk about lol.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Lots of things are voted on more than once, because mindsets change over time. This may be one of them, especially considering that new polling information that you disregarded from the article you wanted to talk about lol.

I hope you are up for a third vote then! The polling information changes all the time (where’s the poll btw).

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I hope you are up for a third vote then! The polling information changes all the time (where’s the poll btw).

Hypothetically if we voted to remain after all the past years of nonsense, of course there would be a third vote eventually. Ukip wouldnt just be like “oh well, nice try guys, time to give up forever”

The article writes about a few different yougov polls, i havent looked for the original source.

Boris is the most popular choice to negotiate brexit, and would be the only tory that could compete against corbyn in the next election according to the polls.

Spoiler:

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Hypothetically if we voted to remain after all the past years of nonsense, of course there would be a third vote eventually. Ukip wouldnt just be like “oh well, nice try guys, time to give up forever”

The article writes about a few different yougov polls, i havent looked for the original source.

Boris is the most popular choice to negotiate brexit, and would be the only tory that could compete against corbyn in the next election according to the polls.

Spoiler:

As I say these polls change. Mogg would stand a good chance against Corbyn in the next election as Corbyn is going downhill fast. His days are numbered in my opinion.

[bitontheslide]

most people that voted brexit wanted control of immigration back, they wanted to stop paying money to the EU, they wanted to stop being dictated to by an unelected EU.

We still have to trade with the EU, they are our nearest neighbours, so we had to come to some agreement to facilitate that.

Given all the above, on leaving the EU, the UK will be getting pretty much what it wanted. Peoples opinions on the how we do things will always be different, but the principles still remain.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

As I say these polls change. Mogg would stand a good chance against Corbyn in the next election as Corbyn is going downhill fast. His days are numbered in my opinion.

Corbyn is NOT 'going downhill fast', Brillo - slimy Corbyn has ALWAYS been a 'subterranean' creature and one cannot get any more 'downhill' than that.

It is his 'facade' which is slipping by the minute, leaving the true Marxist, anti-Democratic, buffoon of a traitor which is the REAL Corbyn, more and more exposed until even the most blindly loyal of his supporters cannot deny what he is any longer.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Corbyn is NOT 'going downhill fast', Brillo - slimy Corbyn has ALWAYS been a 'subterranean' creature and one cannot get any more 'downhill' than that.

It is his 'facade' which is slipping by the minute, leaving the true Marxist, anti-Democratic, buffoon of a traitor which is the REAL Corbyn, more and more exposed until even the most blindly loyal of his supporters cannot deny what he is any longer.

That’s what I meant Kirk - just not put as succinctly as by you.

I was referring to how Labour voters are now pulling away from him the more they hear about his antisemetic views. As most of his supporters are young and ostensibly believe in equality for all how can they support such a man without looking like total hypocrites.

[MB.]

That's funny, when I find myself frustrated I usually use a stress ball, rather than decide to become a neo-Nazi Each to their own

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by MB.

That's funny, when I find myself frustrated I usually use a stress ball, rather than decide to become a neo-Nazi Each to their own

Well yes...

In my opinion, very few people "turn hard-right" if they didn't already hold hard-right views, probably keeping them close to the chest. It seems like it would be more accurate to say that anger over Brexit is causing some people's anger to spill over to the point where they will openly express the hard-right views that they previously kept a lid on.

[kirklancaster]

Oversimplification is an unfortunate occurrence on Tibb when it comes to certain subjects - politics being the main one affected.

I am 'Hard-Right' in some of my views, Centre-Left in others and even Liberal in others.

But I agree with T.S about frustration over Brexit causing some people to publicise views which have been long-held but well-hidden.

I'm like that.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Oversimplification is an unfortunate occurrence on Tibb when it comes to certain subjects - politics being the main one affected.

The whole world, sadly, Kirk

[Tom4784]

The brexiters voting in their droves for May's government in the election only have themselves to blame.

Any attempts to blame the left is just pure diversionary bull****. People ****ed up by voting tories because they bought into the 'strong and stable' **** despite all evidence showing that the Tory government go back on everything they said they would do. Too many people chose to vote in ignorance of the facts and a likely soft brexit is exactly what they voted for.

[Scarlett.]

It's becoming clearer and clearer that the vision of Brexit that the public were sold just cannot be carried out.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The brexiters voting in their droves for May's government in the election only have themselves to blame.

Any attempts to blame the left is just pure diversionary bull****. People ****ed up by voting tories because they bought into the 'strong and stable' **** despite all evidence showing that the Tory government go back on everything they said they would do. Too many people chose to vote in ignorance of the facts and a likely soft brexit is exactly what they voted for.

Thats Not Fair Dezzy
at that 2017 Election
it was OUT the CUSTOM UNION
OUT THE SINGLE MARKET.

By BOTH party's
Labour as well./

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dia.

It's becoming clearer and clearer that the vision of Brexit that the public were sold just cannot be carried out.

Utter Rubbish
its not over yet.


Even the EU Parliament take a Holiday next month.

[arista]

If due to votes down the road in Sept/Oct/Nov 2018
cause a General Election by error
then it will be like a 2ndReferendum

With Labour not being as a Messed up as the Conservatives,
Of course Labour are ready for this
thinking they will win.

But by then a new party maybe set up
by that time.

Of course it may work out that Brexit also goes through

So at this time the next general election
is 2022 month of may.


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The above is what I posted on Kirk official Brexit thread
Clever Jack posted after me.


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Some time ago I said to James
we may need a Brexit section.
Now loads of Brexit threads will be made.