[SherzyK]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

77% of the world live in Asia and Africa

Nothing to do with the point I just made but thanks I guess

[GiRTh]

I cant see the point being made here. What does the fact that 77% people live in Asia have to do with this discussion.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

I cant see the point being made here. What does the fact that 77% people live in Asia have to do with this discussion.

I would have thought bumping a 2018 thread with unrelated content would have got the thread shut but here we are..

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I would have thought bumping a 2018 thread with unrelated content would have got the thread shut but here we are..

Again, I dont really see what thats got to do with anything.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I would have thought bumping a 2018 thread with unrelated content would have got the thread shut but here we are..

Tommy Robinson has the standing he does today because of screaming about muslim grooming gangs. So it was a relevant thread to use. I could have picked one of a number of pro-tommy threads made.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Again, I dont really see what thats got to do with anything.

then iam not sure why you are here posting tbh

[GiRTh]

I'm posting because its a good article. Dont you think? Very thought provoking

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Tommy Robinson has the standing he does today because of screaming about muslim grooming gangs. So it was a relevant thread to use. I could have picked one of a number of pro-tommy threads made.

just make a new thread as your post was not about TR it was an article from the hard left guardian newspaper

it confuses members as witness above

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

just make a new thread as your post was not about TR it was an article from the hard left guardian newspaper

it confuses members as witness above

I wanted to use a Tommy thread because it is relevant to his message.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I wanted to use a Tommy thread because it is relevant to his message.

Nice one, its a fascinating article,.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I wanted to use a Tommy thread because it is relevant to his message.

There is no message as the video does not work so you did not even watch it

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

There is no message as the video does not work so you did not even watch it

Anything not to discuss tommy or the grooming gangs issue. You've made a lot of posts in this thread today, not many of relevance though, but if you'd like to have a conversation about tommy, race, and grooming gangs, I'm all in. Always interested in debating the issues with you, LT, it's just a shame we never get your actual opinions on anything, really ever.

[Toy Soldier]

There -are- cultural (or more accurately, subcultural) elements involved in the Asian community grooming gangs, though. Namely, a stereotype that working class white girls are "easy" and an idea that they have a lower "worth" than other women (i.e. they're only good for sex).

Its obviously not "because of their race" but it does have roots in cultural ideas and stereotypes.

Does that justify anti-Muslim crusades like Tommo's or further stereotyping and racism? No, obviously not, but being blinkered to it is a mistake and acknowledging it (especially WITHIN those communities) is an essential part in changing those outlooks. Being blinkered or pretending that it isn't a thing helps no one.

Now... Does that mean there aren't plenty of OTHER varieties of grooming gang? Of course not - there is of course the very obvious "wealthy white bloke" style of grooming gang amongst others, but the way each operates and the root indoctrinations that lead people (both perps and victims) are slightly different and need to be tackled from different angles.

Wish we could get away from both the agenda-driven rhetoric and the incredulous pearl clutching and just take a look at the facts for a change, in all honesty. Asian grooming gangs are a thing. Aspects of young Asian male subculture are a huge part of that thing. We shouldn't ignore it.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There -are- cultural (or more accurately, subcultural) elements involved in the Asian community grooming gangs, though. Namely, a stereotype that working class white girls are "easy" and an idea that they have a lower "worth" than other women (i.e. they're only good for sex).

Its obviously not "because of their race" but it does have roots in cultural ideas and stereotypes.

Does that justify anti-Muslim crusades like Tommo's or further stereotyping and racism? No, obviously not, but being blinkered to it is a mistake and acknowledging it (especially WITHIN those communities) is an essential part in changing those outlooks. Being blinkered or pretending that it isn't a thing helps no one.

Now... Does that mean there aren't plenty of OTHER varieties of grooming gang? Of course not - there is of course the very obvious "wealthy white bloke" style of grooming gang amongst others, but the way each operates and the root indoctrinations that lead people (both perps and victims) are slightly different and need to be tackled from different angles.

Wish we could get away from both the agenda-driven rhetoric and the incredulous pearl clutching and just take a look at the facts for a change, in all honesty. Asian grooming gangs are a thing. Aspects of young Asian male subculture are a huge part of that thing. We shouldn't ignore it.

Posting an article with the facts, seems to be exactly what you were calling for.

No one said that Asian grooming gangs weren't a thing (to my knowledge - but could be wrong), but for me personally, the weaponisation of Asian grooming gangs wasn't on the level. Anyone ever see Tommy outside Prince Andrews home and being supported financially because of his anti-epstein rhetoric? I don't think it's an agenda vs pearl clutching issue. I think it's an agenda vs the facts issue.