[Babayaro.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No the accusation is full blown intercourse

[Nicky91]

this is gross, poor children who had this vile woman as their teacher

[LeatherTrumpet]

to be fair when I was 16 all I could think about was banging the hot teachers

[Babayaro.]

This reminds me


I swear I saw a pedo music teacher from my school in home bargains yesterday

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Babayaro.

This reminds me


I swear I saw a pedo music teacher from my school in home bargains yesterday

Was he actually though?

[Babayaro.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Was he actually though?

Yes he was literally jailed

[LeatherTrumpet]

bound to be a PE teacher

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Babayaro.

Yes he was literally jailed

Scumbag

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

What was the nature of the texts? Until we know, I couldn't comment.

Tbh, the nature of the texts doesn't matter. It's not appropriate for a teacher to have such personal contact with a pupil. One of the more obvious reasons being protecting herself from such accusations as this. Calling the pupil a "friend" is overstepping the boundaries of a teacher/pupil relationship.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Exactly. Also, teachers, I'm sure are aware of all this, if they were texting about some sort of a problem he was having, I'm pretty sure she would have had to make someone aware of the contact between them, her principal or someone. Just so it's all being noted and is above board

Even then it wouldn't be allowed and she'd be advised to keep the contact during school hours, at school and verbal. Not this personal exchange of phone numbers.

Most schools now, the teachers aren't even allowed to add the parents on Facebook/Twitter, never mind the kids. Which is fair enough, it can get in the way of the professional boundaries.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Doesn't matter. There are boundaries in place for adults who work with children, and whatever the content of the texts, be it flirting or merely talking about Emmerdale, it's inappropriate.

Niamh said she would be worried if it was one of her kids. The trouble is, not all mothers are like Niamh; if they were, I'd have nothing more to say.

What if the texts weren't discussing school nor soaps... what if he was saying, "I want to kill myself"? or "My father is abusing me and I'm afraid to speak to anyone officially". We don't know the context of any of this.

I'm not saying this woman is innocent, I'm saying none of us can come to a conclusion on so little evidence. So I'll be interested to hear more about it and eventually know the verdict.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Tbh, the nature of the texts doesn't matter. It's not appropriate for a teacher to have such personal contact with a pupil. One of the more obvious reasons being protecting herself from such accusations as this. Calling the pupil a "friend" is overstepping the boundaries of a teacher/pupil relationship.

See my post above, Marshy x

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

What if the texts weren't discussing school nor soaps... what if he was saying, "I want to kill myself"? or "My father is abusing me and I'm afraid to speak to anyone officially". We don't know the context of any of this.

There are procedures for things like this and there would be a record of her discussing this with a senior colleague at the school, surely?

Thing is, such discussions about things like that would have had to have started in school and face-to-face before the exchange of numbers. No professional teacher's response to a child confiding in them about suicidal thoughts or abuse at home would be to give them their personal mobile number. There is no context for it to be appropriate for a teacher to give a child their personal contact information.

Unless said characters are main characters in Waterloo Road that is.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

There are procedures for things like this and there would be a record of her discussing this with a senior colleague at the school, surely?

Thing is, such discussions about things like that would have had to have started in school and face-to-face before the exchange of numbers. No professional teacher's response to a child confiding in them about suicidal thoughts or abuse at home would be to give them their personal mobile number. There is no context for it to be appropriate for a teacher to give a child their personal contact information.

Unless said characters are main characters in Waterloo Road that is.

Maybe it did start in school face to face. Maybe she wrongly assumed she could help him and didn't want to break his confidence. Maybe she gave him her number so he had someone to turn to. I can't find someone guilty without knowing ALL the facts and extenuating circumstances.

Or.... There may be no extenuating circumstances and she's a monster, preying on young boys. We don't know.

That's all I'm saying. If we could reach a watertight conclusion by reading an edited article, I could have save myself about four or five years of study.

That's all I'm saying, Marshy.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Maybe it did start in school face to face. Maybe she wrongly assumed she could help him and didn't want to break his confidence. Maybe she gave him her number so he had someone to turn to. I can't find someone guilty without knowing ALL the facts and extenuating circumstances.

Or.... There may be no extenuating circumstances and she's a monster, preying on young boys. We don't know.

That's all I'm saying. If we could reach a watertight conclusion by reading an edited article, I could have save myself about four or five years of study.

That's all I'm saying, Marshy.

No, hang on. I'm not saying this is evidence that she's a monster or a molester or anything of the sort. I'm saying even WITHOUT any inappropriate sexual relationship, even if it was a perfectly ordinary exchange of messages, it is not appropriate and crosses the boundaries of a teacher/pupil relationship.

There are no extenuating circumstances. Not one.

There's a difference between not breaking his confidence, and giving him your personal contact information. Any sane person knows that.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Even then it wouldn't be allowed and she'd be advised to keep the contact during school hours, at school and verbal. Not this personal exchange of phone numbers.

Most schools now, the teachers aren't even allowed to add the parents on Facebook/Twitter, never mind the kids. Which is fair enough, it can get in the way of the professional boundaries.

Yeah you're probably right, as you said both for the pupils and teachers sakes and safety

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No, hang on. I'm not saying this is evidence that she's a monster or a molester or anything of the sort. I'm saying even WITHOUT any inappropriate sexual relationship, even if it was a perfectly ordinary exchange of messages, it is not appropriate and crosses the boundaries of a teacher/pupil relationship.

There are no extenuating circumstances. Not one.

There's a difference between not breaking his confidence, and giving him your personal contact information. Any sane person knows that.

And presumably, I'm not a sane person?

This whole thread is people reaching a verdict before the trial is over and after reading one article.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

And presumably, I'm not a sane person?

This whole thread is people reaching a verdict before the trial is over and after reading one article.

Erm... no.... the teacher giving a pupil her mobile number. The person we're discussing.

No it isn't. The trial is about the accused and an alleged sexual affair. I haven't presumed to know the facts on that nor what the verdict should or shouldn't be.

What I have done, is given my opinion on the facts we do know. Mainly, there are no circumstances where it is appropriate for a teacher and a pupil to be exchanging 295 text messages and 23 phone calls. If anything, the fact she is now up in court provides one of the reasons those boundaries exist, to protect herself from accusations of misconduct.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Erm... no.... the teacher giving a pupil her mobile number. The person we're discussing.

No it isn't. The trial is about the accused and an alleged sexual affair. I haven't presumed to know the facts on that nor what the verdict should or shouldn't be.

What I have done, is given my opinion on the facts we do know. Mainly, there are no circumstances where it is appropriate for a teacher and a pupil to be exchanging 295 text messages and 23 phone calls. If anything, the fact she is now up in court provides one of the reasons those boundaries exist, to protect herself from accusations of misconduct.

Well, we'll see, won't we, as the trial continues. If all she's guilty of is a flurry of messages, that's one thing. If she's actually committed a sexual offence well, that's quite another thing.

In the meantime people can crack on calling her evil etc.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Well, we'll see, won't we, as the trial continues. If all she's guilty of is a flurry of messages, that's one thing. If she's actually committed a sexual offence well, that's quite another thing.

In the meantime people can crack on calling her evil etc.

Well, obviously, one is much worse than the other and carries, rightly so, a much higher cost. I wasn't suggesting the woman should be locked up for text messages.

I'm just pointing out even without the sexual offences, she did cross the line and at the very least should call her ability to do her job properly into question.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Livia

Niamh said she would be worried if it was one of her kids. The trouble is, not all mothers are like Niamh; if they were, I'd have nothing more to say.

What if the texts weren't discussing school nor soaps... what if he was saying, "I want to kill myself"? or "My father is abusing me and I'm afraid to speak to anyone officially". We don't know the context of any of this.

If a teacher has any reason to believe a pupil is in danger or being abused, they are obligated to go straight to the school's safeguarding officer, who is either trained to handle the situation, or knows which member of staff or external agency to refer to.
What a teacher should not do is try to handle the situation themselves, especially over electronic messages outside of the school.

ETA: and no, a pupil saying "my dad touches me, but don't tell anyone" does not mean the teacher can keep it secret. Any kind of abuse or threat to personal safety is to be reported immediately to the safeguarding officer. A teacher trying to sort out the issue themself or even discussing it with the pupil shows they don't know what they are doing, and risks escalating the situation.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

If a teacher has any reason to believe a pupil is in danger or being abused, they are obligated to go straight to the school's safeguarding officer, who is either trained to handle the situation, or knows which member of staff or external agency to refer to.
What a teacher should not do is try to handle the situation themselves, especially over electronic messages outside of the school.

ETA: and no, a pupil saying "my dad touches me, but don't tell anyone" does not mean the teacher can keep it secret. Any kind of abuse or threat to personal safety is to be reported immediately to the safeguarding officer. A teacher trying to sort out the issue themself or even discussing it with the pupil shows they don't know what they are doing, and risks escalating the situation.

Yes, I understand all that. But have a look at some of the posts... she's evil... she should be locked up... and maybe she should. But until we know all the facts no one can reach a conclusion. No one follows all the rules all the time because humans can be stupid. They can also be calculating and dangerous. It's for the court to decide which one applies to this woman.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yes, I understand all that. But have a look at some of the posts... she's evil... she should be locked up... and maybe she should. But until we know all the facts no one can reach a conclusion. No one follows all the rules all the time because humans can be stupid. They can also be calculating and dangerous. It's for the court to decide which one applies to this woman.

The best thing that can be said without contradiction is she's stupid, possibly not suitable to work with kids, and the best case scenario would be fired from her current job and not be allowed to take another teaching post until she's done some retraining.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The best thing that can be said without contradiction is she's stupid, possibly not suitable to work with kids, and the best case scenario would be fired from her current job and not be allowed to take another teaching post until she's done some retraining.

Agreed... unless something unlikely comes to light. I do hate people baying for blood before they know all the facts, though. Not accusing you (or even Marshy) of that, for clarity.

[michael21]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm worried about the course all this is taking. The trial isn't even over and you've all made up your mind she's either weird or guilty or both.

Hope no one on here is ever wrongly arrested.

Getting arrested is one thing going to count mean the cps must have evidences if not then it would of been chuck out