[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

Generally, people who tell everyone they're going to kill themselves are the ones who are reached and treated in time to save them. Because they've told everyone and caused a big hoo ha. I'm more worried about people suffering from depression who withdraw.

You say you're more worried about the silent sufferers but the disdain you show for people who come forward can affect those that suffer in silence. If someone who is suffering hears views like yours which are basically shaming people for coming forward than that can cause them to withdraw because they don't want to be seen as attention seekers.

Cupcakke reaching out as she did can inspire others to do the same, posts like yours only achieve the opposite which makes your faux concern not only laughable but dangerous.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Is it such a problem to worry about both?

Maybe I've known and heard about too many attention seekers to take any of them seriously. Call a friend, call an ambulance... no - post on to a bunch of people whoa re going to make this into the tragedy of the year when there was no way she was dying in the first place. That's my opinion. People die in the world every day, some in really ugly ways... I'm more concerned about them, franlky.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You say you're more worried about the silent sufferers but the disdain you show for people who come forward can affect those that suffer in silence. If someone who is suffering hears views like yours which are basically shaming people for coming forward than that can cause them to withdraw because they don't want to be seen as attention seekers.

Cupcakke reaching out as she did can inspire others to do the same, posts like yours only achieve the opposite which makes your faux concern not only laughable but dangerous.

Oh please... reaching out my arse.

I think I'm going to start a drinking game, where people take a drink every time you post about somebody's "faux" outrage, or "faux" sincerity, or whatever you're accusing them of at that time, when actually, your own posts sometimes come across as didactic and hysterical.

[Scoot]

Yes let’s worry about the people we don’t know are suffering.

(If they let us know immediately drop kick them though, attention seeking brats)

[Scoot]

Like I’m really struggling with the circular logic here.

Your ‘concern’ is for those who don’t speak out, but if they do they’re just wanting attention, they have to do it in private, so that you don’t have to hear about it?

So basically you only care unless someone asks you to care?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Scoot

Yes let’s worry about the people we don’t know are suffering.

(If they let us know immediately drop kick them though, attention seeking brats)

What a strange thing to take away from what I said. But hey... you can turn yourself inside out with worry over this woman. Knock yourself out.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Scoot

Like I’m really struggling with the circular logic here.

Your ‘concern’ is for those who don’t speak out, but if they do they’re just wanting attention, they have to do it in private, so that you don’t have to hear about it?

So basically you only care unless someone asks you to care?

Are you talking to me?

I care about people who are depressed, particularly those who are suicidal; I hope they can approach someone... and there are lots of organisations out there who will help.

I do not care about minor celebrities taking to social media to announce to everyone they're going to kill themselves.

[Scoot]

Even if that’s their method of approaching someone? You seem to have a very strict criteria on what constitutes the proper way of speaking out.

No one’s turning themselves inside out over her except those closest to her. Showing concern for a human being who is struggling is not ‘faux’ or any other adjective you want to throw on there.

What is odd and disturbing is you seemingly taking such offence and condemning her just because she is well known.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Scoot

Even if that’s their method of approaching someone? You seem to have a very strict criteria on what constitutes the proper way of speaking out.

No one’s turning themselves inside out over her except those closest to her. Showing concern for a human being who is struggling is not ‘faux’ or any other adjective you want to throw on there.

What is odd and disturbing is you seemingly taking such offence and condemning her just because she is well known.

This is a forum where people write their opinions. If you find me odd and disturbing put me on ignore.

I am not writing mental health legislation. I've explained how I feel about this story in a variety of ways. I think that's enough.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Scoot

Even if that’s their method of approaching someone? You seem to have a very strict criteria on what constitutes the proper way of speaking out.

No one’s turning themselves inside out over her except those closest to her. Showing concern for a human being who is struggling is not ‘faux’ or any other adjective you want to throw on there.

What is odd and disturbing is you seemingly taking such offence and condemning her just because she is well known.

I could imagine those who are well known may have a cloudier view of who is and isn't a friend or who to turn to, especially in this age of social media too. I don't envy famous people at all

[Scoot]

Originally Posted by Livia

This is a forum where people write their opinions. If you find me odd and disturbing put me on ignore.

I mean, likewise.

If your concern is more global than this like you claim then you shouldn’t be wasting your energy on repeating your same opinion over and over, adding naught to discussion, on something you consider so minor.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

Are you talking to me?

I care about people who are depressed, particularly those who are suicidal; I hope they can approach someone... and there are lots of organisations out there who will help.

I do not care about minor celebrities taking to social media to announce to everyone they're going to kill themselves.

That 'minor celebrity' can do more for prevention by reaching out than you ever could do by shaming her for doing so.

Your whole point of view is just so hypocritical at a fundamental level that I'm surprised that even you can't see the hole you're digging. If you cared about preventing suicide, you wouldn't shame ANYONE for reaching out because you would know how important it is to encourage people to do so however they can. The fact that you seem hung up on the fact that she is a celebrity and that somehow diminishes her struggle is just.... Wow.

You can't pretend to care as you say you do and then rubbish someone when they come forward because they didn't do it in a way you thought was correct.

[Scoot]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I could imagine those who are well known may have a cloudier view of who is and isn't a friend or who to turn to, especially in this age of social media too. I don't envy famous people at all

Indeed, I can imagine it would be hard sometimes to dissect the real from the fake. Perhaps this was what she saw as the only way to reach someone who would care?

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Livia

Are you talking to me?

I care about people who are depressed, particularly those who are suicidal; I hope they can approach someone... and there are lots of organisations out there who will help.

I do not care about minor celebrities taking to social media to announce to everyone they're going to kill themselves.

like why would they even announce it on social media, this shows it was clearly just to get as much attention as she wants


those who are really depressed, really suicidal don't go announcing this on social media

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

like why would they even announce it on social media, this shows it was clearly just to get as much attention as she wants


those who are really depressed, really suicidal don't go announcing this on social media

You have no way of knowing that. People are individuals, some people in relationships give a running commentary on all their problems on FB, it wouldn't be what i would do but it doesn't mean they're not really in a relationship, does it?

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You have no way of knowing that. People are individuals, some people in relationships give a running commentary on all their problems on FB, it wouldn't be what i would do but it doesn't mean they're not really in a relationship, does it?

ok fair enough, i cannot know this from other people

but honestly this was just my own opinion about it, depressions should be in your private life, and only discussed about with psychologists, people who want to help you, and can help you

of course if other people think differently about this ok, everyone has the right of their own opinion

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

ok fair enough, i cannot know this from other people

but honestly this was just my own opinion about it, depressions should be in your private life, and only discussed about with psychologists, people who want to help you, and can help you

of course if other people think differently about this ok, everyone has the right of their own opinion

In the age of making mental health issues less taboo and more easy to talk about openly I think that's very a damaging thing to say and a backwards step

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Scoot

Yeah how dare she have the presence of mind to call out for help. She should’ve just ***ing died without saying anything

Based on the tweet that Reece posted it would seem she was suffering in silence for a very long time, and calling out to social media saved her life. It's a bloody good thing she didn't continue to suffer alone or got to the point where she felt as though nobody could help her... she clearly thought people could - and that's brilliant. Hopefully the backlash she is inevitably receiving won't deter like-minded sufferers from speaking out, in fear of being called a villain rather than a victim.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

In the age of making mental health issues less taboo and more easy to talk about openly I think that's very a damaging thing to say and a backwards step

yes ok, things have changed about this from being kept in their private lives to now talking about it more openly

i only mean psychologists are more experts at this, but i guess family and friends can also be good for support and help

[Shaun]

I don't really understand the logic behind calling her out for something like this and then protesting that you "don't care about minor celebrities putting out tweets for attention". Why post then

It's messy and dramatic and could, sure, be construed as a "cry for attention" but then isn't that exactly what suicidal thoughts are by definition? A call for help, a need for support and friendship and a sign that people actually care about you?

When I experienced suicidal thoughts it was admittedly for something completely different to what she is probably going through (for me it was guilt, disgust with myself, etc.) and whilst I wouldn't dream of trying to articulate how she's feeling, the sheer variety of different issues and thoughts and fears a suicidal person can experience can only naturally express themselves in different ways. If someone tweeting they're going to do it, that bluntly, makes you roll your eyes... then maybe you're just not that compassionate and have a very low threshold for patience.

[Marsh.]

I will say, I could just about see a situation whereby someone tweets out something in a moment of madness. But going to the trouble of screenshotting it to then add it onto another social media account is completely odd to me and slightly more calculated.

But I have very low tolerance for stuff like twitter anyway.

[arista]

"It's messy and dramatic and could, sure, be construed as a "cry for attention" but then isn't that exactly what suicidal thoughts are by definition?
A call for help, a need for support and friendship and a sign that people actually care about you? "


Sure Shaun
but who the feck is she?

[Wizard.]

If her requiring lots of attention and messages stopped her from killing herself then that's a good thing!

[arista]

Originally Posted by Riley.

If her requiring lots of attention and messages stopped her from killing herself then that's a good thing!

Yes of course
But it can also get her work again?


Who is she?

[Matthew.]

Bloody hell some awful attitudes in here eh

Wishing her the best, hope she ends up ok and gets the help she needs, this is very sad.