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Old 21-01-2019, 01:10 PM   #26
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If the benefit of being in the single market exceeds £7.4 billion (spoiler: it does) then this figure is utterly irrelevant. Any benefit of leaving is based on the flimsy assumption that we will be able to secure lucrative trade deals that will equal the single market in terms of economic benefit (spoiler: we won't).
stop making things up

if you are saying 7.4 billion quid is irrelevant you need to reread what ever website you just looked up
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It's a scream how a people's vote gets such backlash yet the snap election was brushed over
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Old 21-01-2019, 01:46 PM   #28
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It's a scream how a people's vote gets such backlash yet the snap election was brushed over
well that election is part of our democratic process and was done accordingly

re running a referendum because some people did not like to be wrong is not comparable and the fact that it would wield a similar result is the worst kind of masochism
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Old 21-01-2019, 03:14 PM   #29
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the ref was only advisory and the result far too close to decide something that important
Farage himself said before the ref that a close defeat would not close the matter and he was right
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Old 21-01-2019, 04:14 PM   #30
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the ref was only advisory and the result far too close to decide something that important
Farage himself said before the ref that a close defeat would not close the matter and he was right
I am sorry but that does not make sense

votes are not abandoned because they are close, its first past the post

The turnout was huge and the result was conclusive. I take it you did not make this point at the last 4 elections in the UK?
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I am sorry but that does not make sense

votes are not abandoned because they are close, its first past the post

The turnout was huge and the result was conclusive. I take it you did not make this point at the last 4 elections in the UK?
it does make sense in the context that a ref is advisory where an election is legally binding. Farage was prepared to continue the fight and push for a new ref if he lost .... he said exactly that, so why is it such a shock that the side that lost in the ref want it run again?

There is nothing to say that there is a limit on number of refs, no-one stated that the ref wouldnt happen again (only the SNP made that pledge for the indy ref)
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Old 21-01-2019, 04:39 PM   #32
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it does make sense in the context that a ref is advisory where an election is legally binding. Farage was prepared to continue the fight and push for a new ref if he lost .... he said exactly that, so why is it such a shock that the side that lost in the ref want it run again?

There is nothing to say that there is a limit on number of refs, no-one stated that the ref wouldnt happen again (only the SNP made that pledge for the indy ref)
Sorry what "side" are you referring to - who are they as the the politicians for the two main parties voted to support Brexit
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There has been loads of New Polls taken
no one wants a 2nd vote



They just want to get past the date of 29th March 2019 11PM


This is NOTHING like you had in your nation
this is more serious
Wrong. Nice try, fake news.
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Old 21-01-2019, 05:43 PM   #34
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stop making things up



if you are saying 7.4 billion quid is irrelevant you need to reread what ever website you just looked up
A "saving" of 7.4 billion is irrelevant if the changes made to secure that "saving" in themselves cost more than 7.4 billion.

You're a businessman of sorts LT, I have to assume that you know the difference between a gross and net saving? I hope so anyway or the taxman is going to be very annoyed at your next audit .
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A "saving" of 7.4 billion is irrelevant if the changes made to secure that "saving" in themselves cost more than 7.4 billion.

You're a businessman of sorts LT, I have to assume that you know the difference between a gross and net saving? I hope so anyway or the taxman is going to be very annoyed at your next audit .
LT to publish his tax return?
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well that election is part of our democratic process and was done accordingly

re running a referendum because some people did not like to be wrong is not comparable and the fact that it would wield a similar result is the worst kind of masochism
Well not really, people voted to leave, but they didnít vote for a hard or soft Brexit or no deal either, if those options were included in the first place thereís have been a different outcome all together, leavers donít want a peopleís vote now because the leave vote would be split and they know theyíd lose
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Old 22-01-2019, 12:57 PM   #37
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Has anyone on here ever met anyone who voted to leave the EU, and now wants another referendum?

No, neither have I.
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Old 22-01-2019, 01:12 PM   #38
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Well, I haven't met Isabel Oakeshott but she said as such on Question Time. Ironically, Nigel Farage even warmed to a second referendum at one point.

Not saying I necessarily agree with a second referendum, but there is certainly demand from some Leave voters to have another say because what they voted for the first time isn't what they expected to happen. Not to mention those like Oakeshott and Farage who want the second referendum because they're confident Leave will win again.

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Old 22-01-2019, 01:38 PM   #39
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We should go with a soft Brexit imo.

I'm honestly amazed at how 48.6% I think it was have been ignored by the Tory party and are deliberately aiming for a hard Brexit.
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Has anyone on here ever met anyone who voted to leave the EU, and now wants another referendum?

No, neither have I.
People don't like to admit that they made a mistake or voted in ignorance but that doesn't mean they wouldn't vote differently in a second referendum when no one can see which box they're ticking.

If you're right then there's no "risk" to leave voters in having a second vote, as the result will stay the same. Its surely that simple. The anger and incredulity about the idea of a second vote suggests, to me, that those who still want Brexit to go ahead think there IS a risk of the vote going differently.
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Old 23-07-2019, 05:07 PM   #42
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all the environment protections, workers rights
some "businessmen" here would prefer a return of 19th century capitalism
sad thing is that some working classes have been bamboozled to go along with it, turkeys voting for Christmas
Bingo... I made the same points here during the referendum let's see what happens now shall we?
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Bingo... I made the same points here during the referendum let's see what happens now shall we?
they are not points

they are unsubstantiated subjective conjecture
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The British Chambers of Commerce has estimated that the annual cost to the UK of EU regulation is £7.4 billion squid.

Its a bit like the scots arguing against London rule

We have out own numpties who can stitch us up politically so why do we need other twats from other countries?
I do know the EU has overturned some of our tariffs for criminals and given some lesser sentences which imo was wrong, so that is one reason people might want out. They have no right dictating how much time our criminals serve.
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Trump thinks that Boris and Nigel will join forces
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Old 23-07-2019, 05:49 PM   #46
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i don't think anyone would be overly fussed if the EU had remained a common market, the body that we actually joined. The problem is that the EU morphed in to a political organisation insisting on ever tighter integration of member countries. Return it to a common market and ask the people again
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The only thing the Brexit Party is fighting for is to keep Nigel Farage 'relevant'. His big attempt at becoming a US political pundit failed, living in Trump's arsehole failed and now he's back here rinsing gullible people for their coins.
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they are not points

they are unsubstantiated subjective conjecture
Well unfortunately that's all anyone has LT. .. from you and I to the folks in the commons, nobody knows jack shiz.
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The only thing the Brexit Party is fighting for is to keep Nigel Farage 'relevant'. His big attempt at becoming a US political pundit failed, living in Trump's arsehole failed and now he's back here rinsing gullible people for their coins.
Fake news, unsubstantiated claims
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