[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Leavers will be more tolerant as they are generally older and that generations seems to tolerate more than most

This is more of an American thing but probably applies here too - people on the right are more open to dialogue and discussion, whereas those on the left just shut out any opposing views.

(Obviously this excludes far right nutters)

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Alf

I hope so, it would be scary and an act of submission if they did nothing.

You want people to riot just because they wouldn't have got their way on destroying the UK's Economy?

Out of interest what is your stance on Scotland being in the UK? Do you want them to stay or leave?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

This is more of an American thing but probably applies here too - people on the right are more open to dialogue and discussion, whereas those on the left just shut out any opposing views.

(Obviously this excludes far right nutters)

I don't think it matters particularly when neither are open to change in opinion; if you want a firm example of this the "...change my mind" youtube videos are a great one. He discusses well, he articulates well, he listens fairly respectfully and maintains a decent intellectual discourse.

However his ideas are already set in concrete and he is very, very rarely open to "having his mind changed" and therein lies the problem. There's no point in open dialogue and discussion when the end result is the same unwavering dogma at the end of the discussion as at the beginning.

And this is where I don't think it's a political spectrum phenomena or a generational one; it's purely down to age. As we get older, we get better at accepting that we usually aren't going to change people's opinions, and thus, less frustrated when we try and fail, and more open to "agreeing to disagree" and then moving on and compartmentalising the discussion. Which is a good skill to have but it's one that most (vaguely intelligent) people gain with age and experience.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

This is more of an American thing but probably applies here too - people on the right are more open to dialogue and discussion, whereas those on the left just shut out any opposing views.

(Obviously this excludes far right nutters)

Are you a right wing person though? I'm not meaning it to try and cause an argument I'm just gonna say that everyone thinks that their side of the fence in politics is more open to dialogue and discussion when really I've seen both the right and the left be intolerant of debate at one point or another.

And if I'm being honest I do think that YouGov's poll is bogus because just on here alone I see a lot of intolerance from the Brexit (mainly voted for by people on the right wing) be way more stubborn over how to conclude the negotiations with the EU in a satisfactory way, they also do seem to be very happy to ignore nearly half the UK's wishes (who voted for Remain) for a soft Brexit and maybe even take the Norway model. I've also tended to notice that some Brexiters have been very big on the name calling during debates such as “snowflakes” “remoaners” “scroungers” etc etc which isn't really showing signs of a group that's tolerant towards opposing opinions imo.

But going back to my original point, everybody always sees the opposing sides in any kind of topic as stubborn and intolerant, it doesn't necessarily mean that they are.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

You want people to riot just because they wouldn't have got their way on destroying the UK's Economy?

Out of interest what is your stance on Scotland being in the UK? Do you want them to stay or leave?

We've told the people who's wages we pay, to take us out the EU, if they don't, then they're telling us "your voice and vote means nothing, now pay my wages you peasant scum" I think a riot would be a minimum of what could happen and civil war the maximum.


My opinion when the Scottish referendum was happening was. I'd like the Scots to stay with us, but if they want their independence, then that's up to them.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Alf

We've told the people who's wages we pay, to take us out the EU, if they don't, then they're telling us "your voice and vote means nothing, now pay my wages you peasant scum" I think a riot would be a minimum of what could happen and civil war the maximum.


My opinion when the Scottish referendum was happening was. I'd like the Scots to stay with us, but if they want their independence, then that's up to them.

But do you see how the UK are similar to the EU from Scotland's perspective? We treat EU as if they're the problem to all of our woes, and Scotland treats the UK (mainly England) as the evil entity that doesn't give them enough respect and freedoms.

The UK and the EU do have things in common, yet in this country it's perfectly fine to want to be apart of the UK, but not to be apart of the EU where we have 27 of our neighbouring countries in an alliance with us, it's a strong trade block that we never should be leaving imo.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

This is more of an American thing but probably applies here too - people on the right are more open to dialogue and discussion, whereas those on the left just shut out any opposing views.

(Obviously this excludes far right nutters)

That's not even remotely true. Democrats have been mocked for years for caving into the crazy demands of the right, even right wing pundits in the age of trump have begged them to grow a backbone.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

But do you see how the UK are similar to the EU from Scotland's perspective? We treat EU as if they're the problem to all of our woes, and Scotland treats the UK (mainly England) as the evil entity that doesn't give them enough respect and freedoms.

The UK and the EU do have things in common, yet in this country it's perfectly fine to want to be apart of the UK, but not to be apart of the EU where we have 27 of our neighbouring countries in an alliance with us, it's a strong trade block that we never should be leaving imo.

The EU is the Soviet Union in Western clothing. Life will be so much better when we're out, the World will be our oyster, and we'll be free to make our own decisions in it.

If you think our country is in turmoil at the moment, it's nothing compared to what's happening in mainland Europe right now. We're getting out at the right time before the sh!t hits the fan (that's if we do get out)

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

The EU is the Soviet Union in Western clothing. Life will be so much better when we're out, the World will be our oyster, and we'll be free to make our own decisions in it.

If you think our country is in turmoil at the moment, it's nothing compared to what's happening in mainland Europe right now. We're getting out at the right time before the sh!t hits the fan (that's if we do get out)

Ignoring the stunning lack of knowledge about the history of the soviet union, what decisions are you most looking forward to us being able to make that we can't make already?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Ignoring the stunning lack of knowledge about the history of the soviet union, what decisions are you most looking forward to us being able to make that we can't make already?

65 per cent of new British laws are made in Brussels so 65% would be a good answer start?

[LeatherTrumpet]

and we could get our proper suction hoovers back

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

65 per cent of new British laws are made in Brussels so 65% would be a good answer start?

Which decisions? Give examples of what laws you're looking forward to us implementing, that the EU have been holding us back from.

[LeatherTrumpet]

and get back proper lightbulbs and bins

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Alf

The EU is the Soviet Union in Western clothing. Life will be so much better when we're out, the World will be our oyster, and we'll be free to make our own decisions in it.

If you think our country is in turmoil at the moment, it's nothing compared to what's happening in mainland Europe right now. We're getting out at the right time before the sh!t hits the fan (that's if we do get out)

i don't like to be compared to the Soviet Union


and the ''life will be so much better when we're out'' well you guys were already fools in the eyes of EU and that will remain the same or come over as even bigger fools + many companies leaving UK for europe, so i guess many british people go unemployed bc of brexit now

[LeatherTrumpet]

Lots EU decisions are taken under "qualified majority voting" rules, this is where countries voting weights depend on their size.

That means countries can be outvoted, and forced to accept decisions with which they disagree.

Britain is outvoted more often than any other country.

source: da Telegraph

[Livia]

I have a mixture of political persuasions amongst my friends and family and I can't remember ever seriously falling out with anyone about politics. On the forum though... different matter. I've had friends turn into enemies because I disagree with their political stance.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

i don't like to be compared to the Soviet Union


and the ''life will be so much better when we're out'' well you guys were already fools in the eyes of EU and that will remain the same or come over as even bigger fools + many companies leaving UK for europe, so i guess many british people go unemployed bc of brexit now

Quite annoying when a foreign national refers to your countrymen as fools.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Lots EU decisions are taken under "qualified majority voting" rules, this is where countries voting weights depend on their size.

That means countries can be outvoted, and forced to accept decisions with which they disagree.

Britain is outvoted more often than any other country.

source: da Telegraph

Any specifics on which laws we can implement though?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

i don't like to be compared to the Soviet Union


and the ''life will be so much better when we're out'' well you guys were already fools in the eyes of EU and that will remain the same or come over as even bigger fools + many companies leaving UK for europe, so i guess many british people go unemployed bc of brexit now

So the EU think hard working Brits are fools eh?

I dont think they thought that when they rolled over and got done by the Germans during the war and came running to Britain to sort out the Bosh?

Holland got taken over by 5 germans and a panzer tank

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Any specifics on which laws we can implement though?

i have given you hoovers, bulbs and bins -which I am sure you are relieved about in your dimly lit dusty home?

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Livia

Quite annoying when a foreign national refers to your countrymen as fools.

it's more the part that you guys think of yourselves as an empire while it isn't an empire anymore

am i a proud dutchman myself? NO, my country also has it's flaws in politics


i like UK, but i just wish we could respect each other in a mature way (without the ''EU similar to Soviet Union'' and etc insults)

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

it's more the part that you guys think of yourselves as an empire while it isn't an empire anymore

show me one scrap of evidence to support that claim?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i have given you hoovers, bulbs and bins -which I am sure you are relieved about in your dimly lit dusty home?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

it's more the part that you guys think of yourselves as an empire while it isn't an empire anymore

am i a proud dutchman myself? NO, my country also has it's flaws in politics


i like UK, but i just wish we could respect each other in a mature way (without the ''EU similar to Soviet Union'' and etc insults)

Nicky don't tell me what I think. It hasn't been an empire for a long, long time. And yes, Holland definitely has its flaws. You also had an empire. Not as big as ours... but it still counts.

No one is going to respect anyone while you're referring to them as fools.

[Cherie]

I thought you wanted to be friend with the UK Nicky, what's changed