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Oliver_W · 18-02-2019, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by arista

Chukka is a Idiot

You are only a Independent
NO New PARTY

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Originally Posted by arista

1.Chuka Umunna,
2.Luciana Berger,
3. Chris Leslie,
4.Angela Smith,
5. Mike Gapes,
6.Gavin Shuker and
7.Ann Coffey.

A load of back benches
No New Party
No FUNDING

Their site is not working

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

They are starting an alternative party. Just stated on BBC news

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Originally Posted by arista

It is NOT
no funding

Semantics. If they're all independent, but under the same "banner", it amounts to much the same thing.

arista · 18-02-2019, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

doesnt mean it starts today, but that is their clear intention

BBC are bollocks

Ch4News Reporter
stated "Why No New Party"

Fecking LIVE

arista · 18-02-2019, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Semantics. If they're all independent, but under the same "banner", it amounts to much the same thing.

Yes Independents

That is ALL

NO NEW PARTY
FACT

MTVN · 18-02-2019, 09:52 AM

Can see a couple of Tories joining soon as well like Sarah Wollaston and Anna Soubry. There's 3 ex Labour MPs already sitting as independents so if they also join then this new party will be the 5th largest in the Commons equal with the DUP

joeysteele · 18-02-2019, 09:52 AM

I respect Luciana, I always have.

I'd have more respect if they all forced by elections and fought said by elections.
As for Chukka Ummuna, he couldn't cope with media intrusion before.

What we need is PR in elections.

Labour does have to really do more to eradicate this antisemitism issue.
Any elements of it are wholly wrong, anywhere in any Party.

These breakaways however seem to more want to stay in the EU, not leave at all.
They want a new vote.
Where an MP was murdered and a campaign that split the UK in two.
Who wants really, a repeat of that as these 7 appear to.

arista · 18-02-2019, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

Can see a couple of Tories joining soon as well like Sarah Wollaston and Anna Soubry. There's 3 ex Labour MPs already sitting as independents so if they also join then this new party will be the 5th largest in the Commons equal with the DUP

Maybe
but that is all?

Just 2 Women on that side

Still No Party.

Nicky91 · 18-02-2019, 09:55 AM

honestly cannot blame them for resigning, who even wants to be in a party with that radical idiot Corbyn

arista · 18-02-2019, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele

I respect Luciana, I always have.

I'd have more respect if they all forced by elections and fought said by elections.
As for Chukka Ummuna, he couldn't cope with media intrusion before.

What we need is PR in elections.

Labour does have to really do more to eradicate this antisemitism issue.
Any elements of it are wholly wrong, anywhere in any Party.

These breakaways however seem to more want to stay in the EU, not leave at all.
They want a new vote.
Where an MP was murdered and a campaign that split the UK in two.
Who wants really, a repeat of that as these 7 appear to.

No the public said no to that

Mystic Mock · 18-02-2019, 09:56 AM

Tbh this country needs a new party to be in charge (that's not extreme obviously) as both of our main parties are a disaster and they know that they can continue to be this crap and even drive some of their MP's away because the public don't have the courage to back the Lib Dems or the Green Party (the only other parties that could get enough people to vote for them and aren't lunatic parties) but yes we are probably gonna have PM Corbyn one day and it's all because the Tory Party are even worse.

Good luck to this alternative party if it's real, if they actually have good policies that would unite people in this country again then people should give them a chance imo rather than just sticking with the incompetence of the other two.

Rant over.

arista · 18-02-2019, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Nicky91

honestly cannot blame them for resigning, who even wants to be in a party with that radical idiot Corbyn

He is the Legit Leader.

It not just about him
its Brexit as well

Bad Losers

arista · 18-02-2019, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbh this country needs a new party to be in charge (that's not extreme obviously) as both of our main parties are a disaster and they know that they can continue to be this crap and even drive some of their MP's away because the public don't have the courage to back the Lib Dems or the Green Party (the only other parties that could get enough people to vote for them and aren't lunatic parties) but yes we are probably gonna have PM Corbyn one day and it's all because the Tory Party are even worse.

Good luck to this alternative party if it's real, if they actually have good policies that would unite people in this country again then people should give them a chance imo rather than just sticking with the incompetence of the other two.

Rant over.

NO FUNDING for a new party

Nicky91 · 18-02-2019, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by arista

He is the Legit Leader.

It not just about him
its Brexit as well

Bad Losers

yes but if they don't want to be in this party, then they made a good choice with resigning from it

Mystic Mock · 18-02-2019, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by arista

He is the Legit Leader.

It not just about him
its Brexit as well

Bad Losers

I didn't know that trying to keep this country's finances stable was about winning or losing.

The Tory Party and Corbyn have both wanted Brexit, but don't know how to compromise with the EU so that we don't get severely knocked about by Brexit.

arista · 18-02-2019, 10:04 AM

"The site could be temporarily unavailable or too busy. Try again in a few moments."

https://www.theindependent.group/

They set up their site yesterday

arista · 18-02-2019, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I didn't know that trying to keep this country's finances stable was about winning or losing.

The Tory Party and Corbyn have both wanted Brexit, but don't know how to compromise with the EU so that we don't get severely knocked about by Brexit.

Chukka and Chris Leslie MP's
did not get their 2nd referendum

joeysteele · 18-02-2019, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbh this country needs a new party to be in charge (that's not extreme obviously) as both of our main parties are a disaster and they know that they can continue to be this crap and even drive some of their MP's away because the public don't have the courage to back the Lib Dems or the Green Party (the only other parties that could get enough people to vote for them and aren't lunatic parties) but yes we are probably gonna have PM Corbyn one day and it's all because the Tory Party are even worse.

Good luck to this alternative party if it's real, if they actually have good policies that would unite people in this country again then people should give them a chance imo rather than just sticking with the incompetence of the other two.

Rant over.

A new Party cannot gain electoral success on a big scale in this electoral system.
PR would assist it.

The Conservative party will never support PR.
Breakaways like this, will only ensure a likely majority Conservative government in power.
As it did in the 80s.

Apart from Luciana, I have little to no respect for the other 6.

Chukka Ummunna could have been leading Labour.
He withdrew as he couldn't take the media intrusion into him and his family.
I wonder how he'll cope now.

Force by elections and fight them.
The want a peoples vote, give their own constituents a vote right now, to see if they agree with them today.

I won't hold my breath on that one however.

Oliver_W · 18-02-2019, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by arista

"The site could be temporarily unavailable or too busy. Try again in a few moments."

independentgroup.org.uk

They set up their site yesterday

Did you try again in a few moments? It works fine.

Spoiler:

reece(: · 18-02-2019, 10:12 AM

They've been rather insensitive to put this motion into action literally the day following Paul Flynn's passing

Mystic Mock · 18-02-2019, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele

A new Party cannot gain electoral success on a big scale in this electoral system.
PR would assist it.

The Conservative party will never support PR.
Breakaways like this, will only ensure a likely majority Conservative government in power.
As it did in the 80s.

Apart from Luciana, I have little to no respect for the other 6.

Chukka Ummunna could have been leading Labour.
He withdrew as he couldn't take the media intrusion into him and his family.
I wonder how he'll cope now.

Force by elections and fight them.
The want a peoples vote, give their own constituents a vote right now, to see if they agree with them today.

I won't hold my breath on that one however.

Tbh it's borderline a dictatorship the way that this country is run sometimes.

I don't really know that much about the MP's that have left the Labour Party, but I definitely can't blame them for leaving the wreck that is the Labour Party at the moment.

arista · 18-02-2019, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Did you try again in a few moments? It works fine.

Spoiler:

WRONG LINK

Its a load of bollocks

arista · 18-02-2019, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by reece(:

They've been rather insensitive to put this motion into action literally the day following Paul Flynn's passing

It was booked for Monday

Why No By Elections
because they would not win.

arista · 18-02-2019, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbh it's borderline a dictatorship the way that this country is run sometimes.

I don't really know that much about the MP's that have left the Labour Party, but I definitely can't blame them for leaving the wreck that is the Labour Party at the moment.

Leaving to do what?
No Party set up

Its a Farce, so far

arista · 18-02-2019, 10:37 AM

https://twitter.com/TheIndepGroup

https://www.theindependent.group/
Their Site

At this time : 503 Service Unavailable

arista · 18-02-2019, 10:42 AM

Seven Labour MPs appear to have automated de-selection.
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Its like thew SDP
all over again
with a Brexit twist

[LBC Reporter tweet:
This is the point most people miss. If the metric of success is displacing Labour or
even getting many MPs elected then this will fail. Their aim, instead, is to help destroy Corbynism.]