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Vicky. · 07-03-2019, 04:51 PM

As I said, I totally understand some will disbelieve the men. But, I don;t understand how on earth the documentary could make anyone who previously thought he was guilty, sure of his innocence

Josy · 07-03-2019, 05:03 PM

I don't believe them.

Wade (I think that's his name, is a liar, leaving important things out of the documentary because they don't fit with his description of events)

Kazanne · 07-03-2019, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

I have read the MJ fan sites.

Regardless of what Chandlers dad was or was not, there was not only Chandler.

It's not just the fan sites Vicky there are lots out there who doubted this guy,I got this about the Gavin Arvizo case
On December 18, 2003, Jackson was charged with seven counts of child sexual abuse and two counts of administering an intoxicating agent to commit a child sexual abuse felony against Gavin Arvizo. Jackson denied the allegations. Sneddon again led the prosecution.
The People v. Jackson trial began in Santa Maria, California, on January 31, 2005. The judge allowed testimony about past allegations, including the 1993 case, to establish whether the defendant had a propensity to commit certain crimes. However, Jordan Chandler had left the country to avoid testifying. Mesereau later said: "The prosecutors tried to get [Chandler] to show up and he wouldn't. If he had, I had witnesses who were going to come in and say he told them it never happened and that he would never talk to his parents again for what they made him say."
June Chandler testified that she had not spoken to her son in 11 years. During her testimony, she claimed that she could not remember being counter-sued by Jackson and said that she had never heard of her own attorney. However, she said she never witnessed any molestation. Jackson was found not guilty of all charges on June 13, 2005.

Amy Jade · 07-03-2019, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

As I said, I totally understand some will disbelieve the men. But, I don;t understand how on earth the documentary could make anyone who previously thought he was guilty, sure of his innocence

I showed my mum things to show how biased it was.

Wade Robson is a liar and a fraudster. This whole kick up now is just to widen his profile imho.

Vicky. · 07-03-2019, 05:07 PM

Again, I am willing to believe an allegation.witness or two came out because people were seeking money. I do not believe that everyone who ever said they saw stuff, or had stuff done to them is lying for cash.

Vicky. · 07-03-2019, 05:15 PM

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I showed my mum things to show how biased it was.

Right, but if she previously thought he was guilty, how would a biased documentary being made on the topic change her mind? I can't make any sense of that at all and am genuinely trying to.

Thats kind of like saying.. I just saw a new documentary about OJ that was sensationalized and may have been untrue in parts. As such, I now think OJ is innocent.

Edit. the Diana thing was probably clearer. But it seems I am not making sense when trying to say what I am trying to say, so will just leave it

Josy · 07-03-2019, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

People don't want to believe because they like his music imo

I don't like his music, never been a fan tbh, still don't believe his accusers.

LeatherTrumpet · 07-03-2019, 05:20 PM

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I don't like his music, never been a fan tbh, still don't believe his accusers.

but you would believe him when he says he isnt a paedo?

Amy Jade · 07-03-2019, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

Right, but if she previously thought he was guilty, how would a biased documentary being made on the topic change her mind? I can't make any sense of that at all and am genuinely trying to.

Thats kind of like saying.. I just saw a new documentary about OJ that was sensationalized and may have been untrue in parts. As such, I now think OJ is innocent.

I mean I could ask her when she gets home if you are genuinely interested. She definitely agreed with me that Wade Robson is a liar though.

Vicky. · 07-03-2019, 05:23 PM

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I mean I could ask her when she gets home if you are genuinely interested. She definitely agreed with me that Wade Robson is a liar though.

I actually am, as it makes no logical sense to me at all.

Makes sense she would not believe them. makes sense she thinks its biased. Makes sense maybe she thinks it shouldn't have been shown. Makes sense that she thinks Wade is outright lying. But I cannot make any sense at all of thinking he was guilty prior to this documentary, then watching this documentary making someone forget whatever made them think he was guilty to start with, and thinking he is innocent.

Kazanne · 07-03-2019, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

I actually am, as it makes no logical sense to me at all.

Makes sense she would not believe them. makes sense she thinks its biased. Makes sense maybe she thinks it shouldn't have been shown. Makes sense that she thinks Wade is outright lying. But I cannot make any sense at all of thinking he was guilty prior to this documentary, then watching this documentary making someone forget whatever made them think he was guilty to start with, and thinking he is innocent.

Maybe people have seen more information this time round Vicky,

parmnion · 07-03-2019, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

their "cause " is to get justice for being abused sexually by a repulsive and committed paedophile

namely Michael Jackson

This!

parmnion · 07-03-2019, 05:27 PM

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yes but back then when he was accused his victims were still kids - now they are adults and want to talk about what he did

game changer

And this.

Vicky. · 07-03-2019, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne

Maybe people have seen more information this time round Vicky,

Like?

I am not trying to be awkward here, I just really cannot make sense of it at all

The entire show was about their version of events. So if you disbelieve them, I just don't get how that means whatever made you think he was guilty before, disappears. Especially given they were on 'his side' before this recent turn of events.

Amy Jade · 07-03-2019, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

I actually am, as it makes no logical sense to me at all.

Makes sense she would not believe them. makes sense she thinks its biased. Makes sense maybe she thinks it shouldn't have been shown. Makes sense that she thinks Wade is outright lying. But I cannot make any sense at all of thinking he was guilty prior to this documentary, then watching this documentary making someone forget whatever made them think he was guilty to start with, and thinking he is innocent.

I shall ask her and let you know x

Josy · 07-03-2019, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

but you would believe him when he says he isnt a paedo?

I believe that the 2 accusers in the documentary I watched last night are liars, I believe both them and the parents are/were fame and money hungry.

I believe Wade had soured all of professional relationships on the Hollywood scene due to his behaviour so this is his last chance at bagging himself some big money.

I believe the court that found MJ not guilty of all charges.

I don't believe that someone that was sexually abused as a child would then as an adult practically beg that abusers family to allow him and his mother to go to the funeral.

I can't answer the specific question you just put to me because he's dead and I can't ask him?

If he's said in the past 'He isn't a pedo' then yeah I guess so.

joeysteele · 07-03-2019, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Josy

I believe that the 2 accusers in the documentary I watched last night are liars, I believe both them and the parents are/were fame and money hungry.

I believe Wade had soured all of professional relationships on the Hollywood scene due to his behaviour so this is his last chance at bagging himself some big money.

I believe the court that found MJ not guilty of all charges.

I don't believe that someone that was sexually abused as a child would then as an adult practically beg that abusers family to allow him and his mother to go to the funeral.

I can't answer the specific question you just put to me because he's dead and I can't ask him?

If he's said in the past 'He isn't a pedo' then yeah I guess so.

Great points Josy.

parmnion · 07-03-2019, 05:34 PM

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This was a tweet from music executive Clyde Jenkins. This is just some of the stuff this one sided documentary conveniently left out. Anyone can make a documentary and make it look like it’s the whole truth. It’s not.

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Wade Robson... you should be ashamed of yourself!!! You and your family befriended the biggest star in the world. I personally recall your mom Joy calling MJJ Music with a sob story about needing money knowing that Michael Jackson loved her and your entire family and would do anything to help her. Michael especially loved you like a son because you dreamed of being a dancer as your mother took you around Australia impersonating who.... Michael Jackson.

Your family moved to the United States leaving your father behind and Michael gave you a record deal as part of a rap duo named QUO! It FAILED!!!

Michael Set you up with his niece Brandi and you guys were together for several years... until you CHEATED with other woman several Times.... she left you!

You still remained in the Jackson Circle.... Why? Because it opened doors for you being associated with Michael Jackson and his family.

That association with Michael Jackson afforded you the opportunity to befriend such artist as Justin Timberlake and Brittany spears... and what did you do...You started working with Justin as a Choreographer and then slept with his girlfriend Brittany Spears and was FIRED. Justin then wrote a song about it called "Cry Me A River". And yet you called Justin your FRIEND!!!

You used your association with Michael Jackson to befriend PRINCE and Mayte.... and what did you do.... You slept with HER!!! Some friend you are!!

You use your association with Michael Jackson to get yourself a gig on a television dance show.... word gets out about your previous disregard and loyalty toward high profile celebrities... and what happens.... you get CUT from that show.

Michael Jackson plans his THIS IS IT concert and you BEG to be the choreographer for the show.... Michael Chooses another Choreographer.... what do you do now that your web of lies are catching up with you and you are now Hollywood damaged goods.... You turn on the one man who looked out for you and your family your ENTIRE life and make up child abuse/molestation allegations that you have emphatically stated for many many years....NEVER HAPPENED!!

Fast forward to today... Michael Jackson is sadly NO LONGER with us. You now beg Michaels Nephew Taj Jackson for VIP access to Michael Jacksons funeral for YOU and your entire family. yet you claim this monster molested you...Sick.

You are now considered a home wrecking, disloyal individual and is essentially blackballed from Hollywood. What do you do? Because You know the world knows you are associated with Michael Jackson.... you use that association once again to change your LIFE LONG STORY to now claim... Michael Jackson molested you. Why? because you are BROKE and your wife is demanding you start making money or she will leave you.

You now convince another broke kid from Michaels past (Pepsi commercial) to join you in a frivolous lawsuit against Michael Jacksons Estate for 100's of Millions of dollars. The courts agree that there is no merit to this lawsuit and dismiss it!!

The Jackson family never fight back when people say disparaging things about their family. Mrs. Jackson once told me when i questioned her about this... she replied "because DIRT sinks and CREAM rises"

Wade knows this to be true as well.... so what does he do? He and James Safechuck concoct a story so salacious, so scandalous so despicable, and presents it to HBO for a one sided EXPLOSIVE televised documentary of LIES... in hopes that the Michael Jackson BILLION DOLLAR ESTATE will settle with you financially to make this documentary go away.

Well that documentary of LIES will air this weekend.... and unlike the Jackson's past... this new generations of Jackson kids are not having it!! they are suing HBO for airing your lying ass!!

I hope when this is all said and done, the estate counter sues YOU in civil court and WIN! I hope it renders you penniless for the rest of your life. Michael Jackson was good to YOU, your mother Joy and your sister Chantel.... and because your gravy train has run out... THIS is how you repay him. You are a sad excuse for a human being!!!

Sorry for this long post... but knowing what i know I just couldn't be silent.

For any of you who thought Michael Jackson was strange... I get it... because there is no one else on earth to compare him to. Yes, there are other child stars who grew up to "blend in" to society...and i get it... But when you are Michael Jackson and the only thing on earth that is more recognizable than you is the yellow "M" at McDonalds..... that in itself is "Strange!"

Anyways.... i say... boycott the documentary... and if you MUST WATCH... know that you now know the basis of the scandalous lies contained within the documentary!

Let that man rest in PEACE!!!

Clyde

(This is from facebook)

Oh my goodness, jermaine has been busy.

LeatherTrumpet · 07-03-2019, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Josy

I believe that the 2 accusers in the documentary I watched last night are liars, I believe both them and the parents are/were fame and money hungry.

I believe Wade had soured all of professional relationships on the Hollywood scene due to his behaviour so this is his last chance at bagging himself some big money.

I believe the court that found MJ not guilty of all charges.

I don't believe that someone that was sexually abused as a child would then as an adult practically beg that abusers family to allow him and his mother to go to the funeral.

I can't answer the specific question you just put to me because he's dead and I can't ask him?

If he's said in the past 'He isn't a pedo' then yeah I guess so.

You seem to know a lot about the motivations of both the accusers how is this so and how will they make money?

Josy · 07-03-2019, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

You seem to know a lot about the motivations of both the accusers how is this so and how will they make money?

I don't claim to know a lot about anything tbf, I form my opinions based on what I've watched and read like most other people

I'm assuming they were paid for the documentary, they will possibly be offered paid interviews etc about the accusations and so on.

LeatherTrumpet · 07-03-2019, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Josy

I don't claim to know a lot about anything tbf, I form my opinions based on what I've watched and read like most other people

I'm assuming they were paid for the documentary, they will possibly be offered paid interviews etc about the accusations and so on.

i doubt they were paid, do you know this for sure?

Twosugars · 07-03-2019, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Josy

I believe that the 2 accusers in the documentary I watched last night are liars, I believe both them and the parents are/were fame and money hungry.

I believe Wade had soured all of professional relationships on the Hollywood scene due to his behaviour so this is his last chance at bagging himself some big money.

I believe the court that found MJ not guilty of all charges.

I don't believe that someone that was sexually abused as a child would then as an adult practically beg that abusers family to allow him and his mother to go to the funeral.

I can't answer the specific question you just put to me because he's dead and I can't ask him?

If he's said in the past 'He isn't a pedo' then yeah I guess so.

Well said, Josy.

Kazanne · 07-03-2019, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

Like?

I am not trying to be awkward here, I just really cannot make sense of it at all

The entire show was about their version of events. So if you disbelieve them, I just don't get how that means whatever made you think he was guilty before, disappears. Especially given they were on 'his side' before this recent turn of events.

Well maybe people have actually read some articles and educated themselves about it and now doubt his guilt and vise versa of course, but from the stuff I have read none of it adds up, I mean I could be way off but from the information out there I am thinking he was not an abuser, just very naïve,stupid and far too trusting he was done over like a kipper the media ALWAYS made fun of him so this must have been a Godsend to them and they will milk it for all it's worth,but whatever the truth is his legacy is ruined, and if he is innocent as I feel he is,I hope those people can live with themselves and those kids have a great memory to remember in such graphic detail times,dates and what happened, I feel their parents have a lot to answer for.