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Old 02-04-2019, 09:03 PM #1801
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Agree,my bad feelings of him go back to when he was paying people out of court to silence them
Clearly ZERO research you've done .

in 93 it was a civil law suit and it was the insurance company that actually paid the chandlers, Evan Chandler didn't give a damn about getting MJ locked up all he wanted was money . hmm i wonder why that is? if he genuinely thought his son was being molested why would he avoid a criminal trial to testify? .

There was every chance for all the family to testify back in court in the 05 trial and none of them bothered as they got their money and the case fell to pieces as there was contradictions!!! .

Chandler drugged his own son to lie , he's caught on tape planning his extortion towards MJ and how he wants to destroy him and get everything he can . No mention of his concern for the safety of his son or whether or not MJ actually harmed his son.

If MJ was paying out loads of money to silence his "victims" i'm pretty sure they'd be evidence of that . Plus Why would you accept a settlement instead of putting the criminal behind bars ?? . And that never got MJ off the hook atall so all that's false as he was still suspected.

Evan chandler beat his son and almost killed him , Jordy fled the country to get away from his parents. Does this sound like the actions of a normal family .
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in 93 it was a civil law suit and it was the insurance company that actually paid the chandlers, Evan Chandler didn't give a damn about getting MJ locked up all he wanted was money . hmm i wonder why that is? if he genuinely thought his son was being molested why would he avoid a criminal trial to testify?



Basically because they were all morons that loved michael that much that they preferred money rather than see michael go to jail at the time.


The guilt has obviously, and understandably come many years later.
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in 93 it was a civil law suit and it was the insurance company that actually paid the chandlers, Evan Chandler didn't give a damn about getting MJ locked up all he wanted was money . hmm i wonder why that is? if he genuinely thought his son was being molested why would he avoid a criminal trial to testify?



Basically because they were all morons that loved michael that much that they preferred money rather than see michael go to jail at the time.


The guilt has obviously, and understandably come many years later.
what a load of rubbish , if you genuinely thought your child had been abused i don't care who it is why wouldn't you want them arrested and locked up ??? . No amount of money can repair that !.
It wasn't hush money it was the insurance company that settled with the chandlers.

Yes there's such a thing as compensation but if someone was a danger to children! , you would keep fighting for justice.

you going to ignore the fact that Evan chandler was a greedy psycho that wanted MJ's money ? and when MJ refused to finance his movie idea he turned nasty and started accusing him of abusing Jordy. Evan wasn't even on the scene until he saw his ex wife & son hanging around MJ then all of a sudden he wanted to play dad. He owed loads of child support that he couldn't be bothered to pay.

Also what kind of parent drugs their own son!???, why did he drug him ? . And he got angry with Jordy and beat him and almost killed him yet MJ is the abuser sure ok ? .
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what a load of rubbish , if you genuinely thought your child had been abused i don't care who it is why wouldn't you want them arrested and locked up ??? . No amount of money can repair that !.
It wasn't hush money it was the insurance company that settled with the chandlers.



Luckily I also think your opinions are full of ****e so we may get along...


But the way michael abused these parents kids made the kids feel loved, so loved that they would probably be begging thier parents to accept money and not send michael to jail...imagine them after years with Michael, basically running the household all.pissed up after years of smuggling wine and growing up way to fast..thinking they are adults after doing adult thing.


You goldheart are savagely ignoring the view off an abused child.
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Clearly ZERO research you've done .

in 93 it was a civil law suit and it was the insurance company that actually paid the chandlers, Evan Chandler didn't give a damn about getting MJ locked up all he wanted was money . hmm i wonder why that is? if he genuinely thought his son was being molested why would he avoid a criminal trial to testify? .

There was every chance for all the family to testify back in court in the 05 trial and none of them bothered as they got their money and the case fell to pieces as there was contradictions!!! .

Chandler drugged his own son to lie , he's caught on tape planning his extortion towards MJ and how he wants to destroy him and get everything he can . No mention of his concern for the safety of his son or whether or not MJ actually harmed his son.

If MJ was paying out loads of money to silence his "victims" i'm pretty sure they'd be evidence of that . Plus Why would you accept a settlement instead of putting the criminal behind bars ?? . And that never got MJ off the hook atall so all that's false as he was still suspected.

Evan chandler beat his son and almost killed him , Jordy fled the country to get away from his parents. Does this sound like the actions of a normal family .
Utter BS ... Mj paid his way out of a jail term
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Anyway, here's a summary of ROBson and SafeCHECK's inconsistencies...i'm sure there's more to follow:


* In the documentary Wades wife states that she did not know how to deal with Wades abuse because she had no experience with abuse.. Yet their website stated that she was also an abuse survivor (This was until people started to catch on, any mention of his wife was taken down)

* That edited/sliced 'Happy Birthday' message was recorded within days that Wade and Michael first ever spent any time together (aside from the time they met in Australia) and was filmed 7 months before his Bday

* James claimed to have owned the Thriller Jacket, it was actually given to Dennis Thompson (his clothing designers) and they had it until 2011 when it was auctioned

* James claims Harrison Ford gave him the whip from the Indiana Jones movie but it was actually given to the Institute of Archeology in 1990 (only 1 was used in the trilogy)

* James claims Michael called him asking him to testify in 2005 but he was considered a 'non entity' in the case months before the trial began. Neither one of them had a say as to if he could testify.

* James claims his abuse occurred from the age of 10-14 (1988-1992), he tells a story of often going into the train station and doing sexual acts with Michael Jackson... The Train station was not built until towards the end of 1993.

* James claims doing sexual acts in the room looking over the theater, stated the room had one way mirrors so no one can look in.. The room had normal windows - no one way mirrors.

* James mother states she danced when Michael Jackson died... James states that he was unaware what 'happened' to him was abuse until seeing Wade Robson on TV in 2013..

* Wades mother claims that Wade has been to Neverland 14 times and a total of 4 times Michael was actually there (In the doc he says hundreds of times)

* In the doc Wade claims that it was after his family left to the Grand Canyon when they had their first sexual experience, went into great detail as to having no contact with his family.. in court 2 months prior to the taping he stated that it was before his family left to the Grand Canyon while his sister was sleeping in the room. There are multiple testimonies from Wades mother that specifically states he went with the family to the Grand Canyon..

* Both mothers were laughing and lovingly talking about the time period they spent with Michael.. This is the time they would have been 'neglecting' their children, it is unnatural for a mother to lovingly express of the time she neglected her child by handing over their sons to an 'abuser'.

* James claims they told the jewelers that the ring Michael was buying him was for a woman.. They are adult MALE rings he owns!

* They talk about this elaborate grooming process Michael did but say he molested him the first day they were alone.. That's only hours from day to evening to make Wade comfortable enough to feel ok about something like that? Mind you, they were not US citizens so after the event, they'd be going home to Australia.. That's VERY risky!

* James claims he, another boy (insinuating Jordan Chandler) was with Michael in his Century City CA apartment in September 1992. He describes crying himself to sleep due to Michael having a new 'special friend'.. Michael Jackson was on tour traveling between Germany, Switzerland, France, Spain, Portugal, and Romania in September 1992.

* They express a 'sexually satisfying relationship' at the age of 7 with MJ yet no mention of the conflicting feelings coming from two straight boys/now men.. We are to overlook not only the discomfort of a minor with an adult but to overlook the discomfort of sexual acts that conflicted with their true sexuality (heterosexuals).. Given the late 80's & 90's and where our culture was with homosexuality and the later period was post Jordan Chandler allegations, it is very unlikely that the duality of thee sexual acts would not leave an impact worth mentioning I the film.. But falsely claiming he owned the whip from Indiana Jones movie was worth keeping in.

IN COURT & beyond....

* When Wade was forced to release his emails, he breached the order claiming it did not exist, than refused to submit, than tried using 'attorney client privileges' to prevent the emails to enter the case.. It eventually entered the case after the internet provider submitted the deleted emails.

* Wade Robsons emails show he sent himself a link from an anti MJ website that paints Jackson as a pedophile to build his case (why would he need to do that if it's a personal event?)

* Emails between Wade and his mother, Wade sends her an article making claims about Michael, she responds "wow, that never happened" and he still used the story in court.

* Emails between him and his mother show them going over stories and having 'many versions'

* Wade was caught lying under oath so bad that the judge stated "Their is no rational juror that could believe his testimony"

* Wade Robson wrote 2 drafts of a 'tell all' book, the court ordered Wade to produce both drafts and the story of his abuse changed significantly from one draft to the next

* James claims that he first addressed his abuse after seeing an interview with Wade on TV, however it was Wades attorneys that reached out to James before James made any move about the abuse.

* In court James 'jewelry' story never included a 'wedding ring' story, he stated he had a neckless he was given with a medallion - and that is where the story ends.. The wedding ring would be the most important piece of jewelry to the story... James original interview with Dan Reed in Feb 2017 did not include the ring story, they later got together in July 2017 to film and include the 'ring' story..

* The court ordered Wade to present his personal journals to the court and it stated allegations would make him "relatable and relevant" and "it's time for me to get mine". When questioned about the quotes he stated he does not know what he meant by his own words.
* Wade robson claims two contradictory things.. 1. that he did not see anything wrong with the abuse at the time because he felt that he was in a 'fulfilling sexual relationship' at 7 years old and that's why he did not speak out... 2. that Michael would drill & threaten him about if he spoke out and he did not speak out due to fear.

* James legal briefing states Michael spent thanksgiving with the Safechucks in 1987, Michael was in Australia on the Bad tour and was actually the day Michael Jackson met Wade Robson after the Target event.

* Wade Robson was trying to have his wedding at Neverland and Michael Jacksons Nanny had to tell both Wade and Joy "NO" because the 2005 trial was going on at the time

* Wade claimed in court that he was unaware of the administration of the Michael Jackson Estate prior to March 6th 2013 which is another lie considering he was in contact with them about the Cirque De Soleil show and claims to have worked under MJ Ventures in the past. (which is why the estate would be liable in the first place)

* Wade claims that he was at Neverland and saw Michaels children and did not want Michaels kids to live without their dad and that's how he knew he 'had' to testify on Michaels behalf.. The time he visited Neverland was AFTER he testified

* They both have been working together since 2014 against the Jackson estate, it was Wades legal team that reached out to James (before James came forward). They worked with this legal team until both cases were thrown out. together switched to a different law firm where their complaints were amended. With those amendments, the accusations changed.

* James original case against the estate never stated that he had any working relationship with the estate, thus had no 'Duty Of Care'.. In the new claim, it included allegations against MJJ Ventures in respect to his alleged abuse in the 80's.. MJJ Ventures was not established until 1991 and never had any working relationship with Michael Jackson until 1994, 2 years after the alleged abuse ended.

* When chronologically looking at the claims against Jackson, as they had a hard time battling the estates 'ownership' in the alleged abuse - the stories became increasingly more elaborate including Michael Jacksons employees to incriminate those who are hired under MJJ companies.. Neither Wade or James can actually name any employee that allegedly were willing participants in covering up any abuse (including those they supposedly had personal interaction with)

* James 3rd amended complaint added a story including companies under MJJ companies that had 'youth programs' where Michael would be a mentor, these companies were called the 'most sophisticated child abuse procurement & Facilitation organization'. '.... a 'youth program' never existed..

* James case came to a dead end, trying to make the estate liable. James and his lawyers desperately tried to make the argument since Michael Jackson was the sole share holder and owner of MJJ companies. That Michael Jackson had the obligation to 'supervise himself', knowing he (himself) had 'criminal tendencies' and should not allow himself work in his own company. Fire himself and warn others about his tendencies.. This is all to make the estate liable for alleged abuse.

* Wade claims this is about victim awareness, has a charity established in 2019 yet has not mentioned the charity on television or interviews. The Charity is based out of Hawaii, a state that does not force companies to prove where donations come from.

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Closing this for now as it seems to be going round in circles with some members clearly only posting in it to bait others.
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