[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Of course they have a massive advantage !they are men when you peel away with surgery

No surgery is required. Just lowering testosterone for a year. And McKinnon (who set this argument off) reckons even thats unfair and transwomen should not even have to lower that..because, testosterone does not give an advantage Seriously. McKinnon is ****ing nuts. Watching them explode all over twitter calling near everyone a transphobe is hilarious really. About time the issue was properly dragged into the sunlight though, I do wonder how many male bodied women will be in the next Olympics..'technically' its been allowed since 2004 but surgery was a requirement then..thats been removed recently. Only seems to be a few males taking advantage though, but that will change fairly quickly, esp with the likes of Russia.

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I don't know why anyone would have an issue with a male and female trans category

I imagine it's because it can be seen as excluding trans people possibly? Even if there is a reason and yes, they are trans men/trans women, I imagine the question of "we're women why are we being separated from cis women?"

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Personally I'd want the option that offends less people, but at the same time, if we have the Olympics and Paralympics, I find it hard to argue that there shouldn't be trans categories

And if there weren't trans categories, trans athletes would still be hounded with questions and people saying "they had an advantage!!", so I don't think there's a side that wins

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Ant.

I imagine it's because it can be seen as excluding trans people possibly? Even if there is a reason and yes, they are trans men/trans women, I imagine the question of "we're women why are we being separated from cis women?"

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Personally I'd want the option that offends less people, but at the same time, if we have the Olympics and Paralympics, I find it hard to argue that there shouldn't be trans categories

And if there weren't trans categories, trans athletes would still be hounded with questions and people saying "they had an advantage!!", so I don't think there's a side that wins

No I don't get why they would be offended, its about giving them a level playing field in sport, I don't know why everything has to be a negative, , for ftm transition it would give them the opportunity to participate in physical sport which at the moment they can't actually do, for mtf it would take away the element that any win was unfair, so I don't see the issue at all

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Livia

The solution is that no one should be able to compete in women's competitions unless they have the x chromosome.

So female-borns that transistion into men compete against women?

[Northern Monkey]

With the ridiculous amount of substances banned by the IOC(not all performance enhancing either) i’m very surprised that the use of synthetic oestrogens are allowed tbh.They are still hormones afterall.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Withano

So female-borns that transistion into men compete against women?

Depends what you mean by 'transition'. If 'transition' involves the taking of testosterone, then they should be treat the same as any other female who was taking performance enhancing drugs. If 'transition' means simply changes presentation and changes the stereotypes they follow, then of course, why not?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Depends what you mean by 'transition'. If 'transition' involves the taking of testosterone, then they should be treat the same as any other female who was taking performance enhancing drugs. If 'transition' means simply changes presentation and changes the stereotypes they follow, then of course, why not?

So not everybody with an X chromosome (I assume Livia will have the same answer)

I agree with the ‘third and fourth category’ personally.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The answer is "well, duh"

Biological males are (on average) stronger and faster than females, so of course transwomen have an advantage over women.

Agree.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Withano

So female-borns that transistion into men compete against women?

Like that's ever going to be an issue.

This is about men continuing their control over women. That's my opinion.