[LeatherTrumpet]

Devout Catholic 'who used wrong pronoun to describe transgender girl'
to be interviewed by police




When Caroline Farrow, a Catholic commentator, and transgender rights campaigner Susie Green,
agreed to take part in a television debate about a controversial Girl Guides policy, producers
would have expected differences of opinion.

But while the conversation on screen was certainly heated, it was what happened off-air when
the pair continued the debate on Twitter that resulted in a six-month-long police investigation.

Mrs Farrow, a mother of five with strong religious views, allegedly used the wrong pronoun when
referring to Ms Green's transgender daughter.

Ms Green was so angered by what she described as a "distressing and spiteful" attack that she
lodged a formal complaint with Surrey police.

On Monday night, they contacted Mrs Farrow and asked her to attend a voluntary police interview.

The response by a police force which, like all others, is struggling to cope with violent crime
and knife violence, will raise eyebrows and further fuel the debate around police priorities.





In November Sara Thornton, head of the National Police Chief's Council, warned that the increasing
focus on investigating hate crime was putting a strain on resources at a time when forces were
struggling to deal with rising levels of violence.

Her comments were echoed by the Met Commissioner, Cressida Dick, who also said police officers ought
to prioritise the issues that people cared about most, such as violence and knife crime.

But campaigners who support transgender rights insist it is the police's place to bear down on those
alleged to flout the Equalities Act and seek to cause harm and distress to vulnerable people.

Dr Jane Hamlin, president of the Beaumont Society, a charity which supports trans people, said that
mis-gendering is "very hurtful".

"People sometimes do it by accident, even my friends accidentally get it wrong but they always
apologise immediately afterwards.

"But to do it publicly like that, it's dreadfully thoughtless and certainly something that should not be done."




Mrs Farrow also pointed out that since the row had blown up on Twitter she and her
family had been subjected to abuse and threats by internet trolls.

She said one had even published photographs that identified her children as well as
bombarding her with sexually humiliating insults.

Ms Green's daughter, Jackie, 25, became the youngest person in Britain to transition
when she changed her sex from male to female almost 10 years ago.

Since then, Jackie has reached the semi-finals of Miss England and models around the
world, describing herself as "just a normal girl with a bit of an interesting history".

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...s-twitter-row/

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and she is at it again with another woman and getting police involved again!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...obic-comments/

[Scarlett.]

Nice to see that the blame for knife crime is somehow subtly being blamed on trans people. It's so fun being society's punching bag.

[LeatherTrumpet]

And ironically, Cressida Dick is a lesbian!

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dia.

Nice to see that the blame for knife crime is somehow subtly being blamed on trans people. It's so fun being society's punching bag.

What the article is saying is that this type of report is wasting precious police resources which it is, meanwhile in Birmingham 4 more schools have been removed from the No Outsiders programme.


https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/03/2...on-manchester/

[Cal.]

Well you could just say that with anything.

Eh, don’t report that somebody burgaled your home or mugged you in the street because SOMEONE SOMEWHERE is being murdered or raped.

You can’t ask people to put aside their more ‘tivial’ in your eyes issues just because more pressing matters are occuring, otherwise you’d have to tell EVERYONE whom was a victim of a ‘minor’ crime to just live with it because of more important crimes that need investigating.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Cal.

Well you could just say that with anything.

Eh, don’t report that somebody burgaled your home or mugged you in the street because SOMEONE SOMEWHERE is being murdered or raped.

You can’t ask people to put aside their more ‘tivial’ in your eyes issues just because more pressing matters are occuring, otherwise you’d have to tell EVERYONE whom was a victim of a ‘minor’ crime to just live with it because of more important crimes that need investigating.

police prioritise crime all the time

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

What the article is saying is that this type of report is wasting precious police resources which it is, meanwhile in Birmingham 4 more schools have been removed from the No Outsiders programme.


https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/03/2...on-manchester/

There is plenty of things that waste police time, it's just a way to stir up yet more anger and hate towards trans people. It's tiring.

How about blaming the government for the rise in knife crime? They're the ones who keep cutting the police budget.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dia.

There is plenty of things that waste police time, it's just a way to stir up yet more anger and hate towards trans people. It's tiring.

How about blaming the government for the rise in knife crime? They're the ones who keep cutting the police budget.

Do you think this is something that should be reported to the police?

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Cal.

Well you could just say that with anything.

Eh, don’t report that somebody burgaled your home or mugged you in the street because SOMEONE SOMEWHERE is being murdered or raped.

You can’t ask people to put aside their more ‘tivial’ in your eyes issues just because more pressing matters are occuring, otherwise you’d have to tell EVERYONE whom was a victim of a ‘minor’ crime to just live with it because of more important crimes that need investigating.

But calling someone by the wrong pronoun isnt a serious crime and awaste of police funding which is so little as it is.

[Cal.]

Originally Posted by Adam.

But calling someone by the wrong pronoun isnt a serious crime and awaste of police funding which is so little as it is.

Adam you literally just made the same point that I was arguing against in my post...

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Cal.

Adam you literally just made the same point that I was arguing against in my post...

Sorry i didnt read the last part of your post

[Livia]

Pronoun crime is wasting police time.

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by Cal.

Well you could just say that with anything.

Eh, don’t report that somebody burgaled your home or mugged you in the street because SOMEONE SOMEWHERE is being murdered or raped.

You can’t ask people to put aside their more ‘tivial’ in your eyes issues just because more pressing matters are occuring, otherwise you’d have to tell EVERYONE whom was a victim of a ‘minor’ crime to just live with it because of more important crimes that need investigating.

Tea

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Do you think this is something that should be reported to the police?

If only we could legislate for hurt feelings, eh?

[Toy Soldier]

There's obviously a big difference between a slip / not understanding and doing something pointedly and deliberately.

That said, I don't think it's a police issue unless it's persistent over time from the same person (and thus, harassment).

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Do you think this is something that should be reported to the police?

No, but my general point is that the actions of one person is being used by the media to tar all trans people with, yet again.

[Oliver_W]

Misgendering is a crappy thing to do, sure. But in no way should it be considered a crime, and certainly shouldn't be a police matter.

[arista]

Yes but it has withdrawn from the Police

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Dia.

There is plenty of things that waste police time, it's just a way to stir up yet more anger and hate towards trans people. It's tiring.

How about blaming the government for the rise in knife crime? They're the ones who keep cutting the police budget.

Most areas have had no problem with knife crime since the cuts....it only seems to be certain areas of cities.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Most areas have had no problem with knife crime since the cuts....it only seems to be certain areas of cities.

It's mostly black on black crime if you look at the stats... and you probably have. Only no one can say that in case it's deemed racist, the black community don't accept it and unless they help end it, we're sunk. But... Shhhhhhhhhh

[Liam-]

She’s a scummy person in general judging from all of her appearances in tv debates, but unfortunately being scummy isn’t a criminal offence

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Most areas have had no problem with knife crime since the cuts..

[The Slim Reaper]

One of my favourite artists talking about knife crime on GMB

Youtube video

He raises some excellent points about no one ever assigning the achievements of black people to their colour, but how it's become acceptable for people to assign issues within the community to race.