[Ramsay]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

under what law?

"dont leave your kid alone for 1 minute in case a paedo abducts them" RULE 1877

You're seriously tripping if you think they were only left for 1 minute at a time haha
Even 1 minute alone in an apartment on holiday is too much, I wouldn't leave my phone in an unlocked apartment never mind my own kid

[rusticgal]

I think the parents are guilty of serious child neglect...I believe she was taken and the perbertrators had been watching their pattern every evening. I think the parents were aware of paedophiles in the area hence her immediate comment on finding her missing “they’ve taken her”....
Their negligence resulted in her disappearance...they have to live with that guilt for the rest of their lives.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Ramsay

You're seriously tripping if you think they were only left for 1 minute at a time haha
Even 1 minute alone in an apartment on holiday is too much, I wouldn't leave my phone in an unlocked apartment never mind my own kid

and your thoughts on Alesha in Scotland?

[LeatherTrumpet]

and how many children do you have?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I think the parents are guilty of serious child neglect...I believe she was taken and the perbertrators had been watching their pattern every evening. I think the parents were aware of paedophiles in the area hence her immediate comment on finding her missing “they’ve taken her”....
Their negligence resulted in her disappearance...they have to live with that guilt for the rest of their lives.

they were aware how?

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

they were aware how?

I don’t know how...maybe local talk..I just think judging by her response it’s very likely she knew.
If I found my child missing my first response wouldn’t be THEYVE TAKEN HER unless I had an idea such activity was going on...just my opinion.

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Kids were drugged, Maddie overdosed. Parents got rid of the body and got away with murder and neglect.

This 100%. Never trusted either of them tbh

[Ant.]

I just wanna know if she's dead or not

[parmnion]

I think she realised her parents were ***** leaving her alone in a strange country, so I'm hoping she robbed her dad's wallet, before packing her bags and effing off.


I doubt it though, I think her dad sold her to paedos.

[Kazanne]

I have never believed she was abducted, I think they were drugged to make them sleep,but I think Madeline woke up and wandered off looking for her mom and dad and still groggy fell into the one of the many disused mineshafts or into one of the trenches on one of the building sites that were there then, I honestly do not know if they had a hand in killing her I'de hate to think they did but there are several things that don't add up with them, but innocent until proven guilty I guess, BUT they are definitely guilty of neglect,I cannot understand why they weren't charged with that at least, it's hard to distinguish the lies from the truth,she either wandered off and fell or she was dead in the apartment,no way do I think she was abducted, just my opinion.

[Ramsay]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and your thoughts on Alesha in Scotland?

Haven't heard anything about that

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and how many children do you have?

Don't need kids to be able to tell they neglected their daughter by going on the piss m8

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I have never believed she was abducted, I think they were drugged to make them sleep,but I think Madeline woke up and wandered off looking for her mom and dad and still groggy fell into the one of the many disused mineshafts or into one of the trenches on one of the building sites that were there then, I honestly do not know if they had a hand in killing her I'de hate to think they did but there are several things that don't add up with them, but innocent until proven guilty I guess, BUT they are definitely guilty of neglect,I cannot understand why they weren't charged with that at least, it's hard to distinguish the lies from the truth,she either wandered off and fell or she was dead in the apartment,no way do I think she was abducted, just my opinion.

This is what i don't understand either , as i said in another thread i think if McCann's were working class chavs from the council estate then social services would of been involved years ago ! .

Obviously it shouldn't matter what class or job somebody has if they're neglectful parents then they're neglectful . The McCann's behaviour from The beginning had red flags for me.

And i think Madeline & the 2 babies were drugged aswell , i also think Madeline banged her head nd died in the house and they returned home to find her and decided to cover it up.

The main photo they used for Madeline when she "went missing" was a strange one up close to her face where she looks startled or even a little scared you could say , very strange photo to use and i noticed Madeline's eye has like a popped blood vessel .

[Ramsay]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

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And i think Madeline & the 2 babies were drugged aswell , i also think Madeline banged her head nd died in the house and they returned home to find her and decided to cover it up.
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The twins weren't drugged

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ind...407.html%3famp

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ramsay

The twins weren't drugged



https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ind...407.html%3famp

The twins weren't tested until a time when any drugs would have left their system, the twins never woke all through lights being turned on, people going in and out of the bedroom and being moved to another apartment. Kate herself says in her book she thought they may have been drugged but she never thought to bring it up that night or demand they get checked

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I wonder if there is a parent on here who thinks that 2 people like them could agree to kill their own child and then spend 10 years in the public eye lying about it?

I dont think anyone actually thinks they killed her though

[reece(:]

I believe the theory that they gave the kids sleeping pills and Madeleine overdosed and died

[caprimint]

It's really interesting to read everyone's thoughts on this.

I still have no idea at all tbh. I find it all to be very dodgy; because of the way that Kate & Gerry have acted in interviews, refusing to answer questions and how blood was found in the back of their car. Also their story hasn't been consistent regarding the times that the children were being looked after.

Also I don't really think they killed her (or even accidentally). I feel like people only go to the overdosing thoughts because they're doctors?

It's possible that she was taken but I sort of just find that to be too coincidental?

I dunno. I feel like it could have something to do with their 'friends' who were going over to their place that night to watch the kids. I think Kate & Gerry could know more than they let on as well.

[bitontheslide]

I think they may have considered her a difficult child and gave her away, not necessarily to a dodgy child abusing ring, but to some illegal adoption thing. I think killing her/disposing of the body couldnt have been achieved without some local help, and that wouldn't have remained a secret all these years.

[Vicky.]

I think the parents, or one of the group drugged her. I do not believe it was calpol as there wouldn't really be any reason to cover that up as its easily explained away as 'he gave her some then I did not knowing he had'. And I think there was an accident when a drugged Madeleine climbed on the sofa to look out the window for her parents. I think Gerry found her on his 'check' (though I think the checks were virtually non-existant and were added on to make the abduction thing more plausable) and..quickly disposed of her. I do not think Kate actually knew until a bit later but she clearly would by now. I think they turned the tragic situation to be a moneyspinner and have done very well from that. I think the main reason they got away with it all was just luck.

I understand a lot of the thoeires though and really, a great number of them could be true. All I know is basically, there was no evidence of an intruder, and the cadaver dog indicated there.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

You asked the question of parents. As a parent that must make me qualified to answer said question in your eyes. My answer is no good parent would leave their child, who is.no more than a baby, to go out drinking, compounded by the fact said child had already said she had awoken and cried for her parents the evening before when left alone.

Indeed..and especially after the kid only the day before had told you that they had woken up crying and looking for you. Cold callous parents to ignore that and kep doing it tbh. I think this might have been how the oversdose happened actually. They had been giving them something light to sleep, and not checking (unless likle, going back to the room for cash and having a quick look them) then when told they weren't being as effective as they thought, upping the dose rather than just staying in with the kids, or taking them with them.

If you want an adults only holiday, thas fine. Hell me and Gav just got back from one of those while grandad had the kids for a week. But, why take the kids if all day you are palming them off in the creche, and all night you leave them alone so you can get pissed. This always baffles me tbh.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I think they may have considered her a difficult child and gave her away, not necessarily to a dodgy child abusing ring, but to some illegal adoption thing. I think killing her/disposing of the body couldnt have been achieved without some local help, and that wouldn't have remained a secret all these years.

This has been acknowledged a few times.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Madeleine.html

Different quote (so not made up..rest of story can be but direct quotes no) that really boils my piss...

Mrs McCann also insisted that she and her husband were "truly responsible parents" and had committed no crime.

"But the certainty that we are truly responsible parents has helped me carry on.

"I know that what happened is not due to the fact of us leaving the children asleep. I know it happened under other circumstances."

This insistence that they were responsible parents, how could you say this given the circumstance, I mean, even is an abduction did happen its just constant 'nothing we did put the kids at risk' type thing

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I dont think anyone actually thinks they killed her though

Some do, some think she was being sexually abused, some think she died from being given drugs and overdosed, some think she fell, some think the parents disposed of her body.

Lots question how two parents can show no emotion.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I think the parents, or one of the group drugged her. I do not believe it was calpol as there wouldn't really be any reason to cover that up as its easily explained away as 'he gave her some then I did not knowing he had'. And I think there was an accident when a drugged Madeleine climbed on the sofa to look out the window for her parents. I think Gerry found her on his 'check' (though I think the checks were virtually non-existant and were added on to make the abduction thing more plausable) and..quickly disposed of her. I do not think Kate actually knew until a bit later but she clearly would by now. I think they turned the tragic situation to be a moneyspinner and have done very well from that. I think the main reason they got away with it all was just luck.

I understand a lot of the thoeires though and really, a great number of them could be true. All I know is basically, there was no evidence of an intruder, and the cadaver dog indicated there.

Yeah, pretty much my thoughts aswell, these are the two things that are fact rather than theory and neither point to someone kidnapping her

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Some do, some think she was being sexually abused, some think she died from being given drugs and overdosed, some think she fell, some think the parents disposed of her body.

Lots question how two parents can show no emotion.

I mean purposely killed her, not an accidental death caused by their neglect or irresponsibility. Killing her implies murder which implies intention, is what I mean

[chuff me dizzy]

This is where all the facts are stored, great reference point


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk