[bitontheslide]

As a referendum is advisory only and has no legal standing, i am somewhat mystified why a supreme court would over turn a poll that has no legal basis

[Vicky.]

A current issue with Brexit is not really the endless misinformation that was flying around, but that a lot of leavers voted leave under the impression there would be some sort of deal, and also do no wish to just crash out and just hope for the best, which is, daft to most people. Mind, I guess it does count as more disinformation when it was made out that it would all be easy and basically the EU would let us keep all the good parts of membership while letting us ditch the bad..like, why on earth would they do this?! As no deal seems to be looking like the only option really..I don't really get what wuld be wrong with some kind of vote of...leave with no deal or revoke article 50. IF, as leavers say, over half the country still want to leave, and do not want any deal either, then that will win the vote..surely? So again, not seeing the issue.

And Farage already planning for pressure for another vote when he thought remain was going to win..is sort of relevant when people whinge about remainers not being too thrilled that a very small majority was deemed good enough. I am sure I remember him saying if the majority was a few percent, it should be set aside until the majority was larger, or something. Until his side won of course, then that suddenly became 'hahaha Remoaners whinging when the vote was binding' and whatever.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Also how can people justify paying £13b a year into an organisation that only gives £4b back? Where is the money going to

Its not quite as simple as we pay 13b and get back 4. We do get extra back for stuff like research grants but those are paid direct to the private sector...estimated to be like 1.5-2b in total. So yeah we are still net contributers (I think theres only a few countries who actually are?) but not quite as high as what is posted around. Also, its not for nothing. The benefits..appear to me to be worth it to me, tbh. Obviously not to you, but its not really a case like someone seem to think of just randomly giving out cash for no reason

Fullfact has a couple of breakdowns including https://fullfact.org/europe/claim-ab...t-meaningless/

As for 'where does it go'..well similar to government budgets, theres plans laid out quite clearly..if you are genuinely asking. https://europa.eu/european-union/abo...expenditure_en

I have read far too much EU stuff over the past few years...my head is swiming with random crap and half of it is disinformation too!

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Its not quite as simple as we pay 13b and get back 4. We do get extra back for stuff like research grants but those are paid direct to the private sector...estimated to be like 1.5-2b in total. So yeah we are still net contributers (I think theres only a few countries who actually are?) but not quite as high as what is posted around. Also, its not for nothing. The benefits..appear to me to be worth it to me, tbh. Obviously not to you, but its not really a case like someone seem to think of just randomly giving out cash for no reason

Fullfact has a couple of breakdowns including https://fullfact.org/europe/claim-ab...t-meaningless/

As for 'where does it go'..well similar to government budgets, theres plans laid out quite clearly..if you are genuinely asking. https://europa.eu/european-union/abo...expenditure_en

I have read far too much EU stuff over the past few years...my head is swiming with random crap and half of it is disinformation too!

Germany, france and the uk are the only net contributors

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Germany, france and the uk are the only net contributors

Yeah I thought it was something like that.

Honestly, I am still fairly undecided on if its overall a positive thing for us or not, but, with so much bull floating around its really hard to tell. I was actually undecided on my vote right up until half an hour before voting, and have always said we should just go for it and do it, even with a tiny majority. But this was before the recent ****show..and again, assuming there would be some kind of deal. The way Brexit has been handled has been crap from start to finish really. I still cannot and probably will not ever believe that Cameron was so arrogant in his thinking that the country would just vote to stay and that would be it that there were no bloody plans drawn up before the vote. And that the vote only happened as he crapped himself that Farage might take a few of his votes..thats no bloody reason to get the country to make such a huge bloody decision, for a few more general election votes man.

And then May triggers article 50 with no plan too!

[Smithy]

What did you vote Vicky?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Also how can people justify paying £13b a year into an organisation that only gives £4b back? Where is the money going to

Being part of the EU is (it is increasingly apparent) essential to City of London trading, the UK is attractive to global business because it is (was) the English-speaking gateway to the entire continent. These organisations have already started jumping ship, and we haven't even left yet. The cost to the UK is going to be so far beyond £13 billion pounds a year that the complaint about how much we've paid in, at this point, seems like an absolute joke.

[Vicky.]

I voted remain in the end. But tbh, I was probably as misinformed as near everyone else! It wasn't until afterwards that I developed an obsession with reading stuff about the EU and basically voted on a 'better the devil you know' kind of way rather than anything else. If I knew then what I do now, there would have been absolutely no question of my vote and I would have felt a lot more..secure in it.

[bitontheslide]

People can slag off Maggie Thatcher for eternity, but she was the only PM with the balls to demand the UK get a rebate every year on our contributions. No labour party or subsequent tory party has ever been as tough with the EU as she was.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I voted remain in the end. But tbh, I was probably as misinformed as near everyone else! It wasn't until afterwards that I developed an obsession with reading stuff about the EU and basically voted on a 'better the devil you know' kind of way rather than anything else. If I knew then what I do now, there would have been absolutely no question of my vote and I would have felt a lot more..secure in it.

I imagine there’s a lot of people in the exact same boat that voted leave

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

People can slag off Maggie Thatcher for eternity, but she was the only PM with the balls to demand the UK get a rebate every year on our contributions. No labour party or subsequent tory party has ever been as tough with the EU as she was.

Yes but that's probably only so that she could funnel it into more arms deals with the Middle East.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes but that's probably only so that she could funnel it into more arms deals with the Middle East.

She wasn't funnelling to her own decimated cities, that's for sure.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Did leave campaign lie about making our own laws? Just asking

What laws do you think we should try and implement that we don't have currently?

[Glenn.]

Whatever law we want to?

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Whatever law we want to?

Such as?

Give an example of a law you want

[Toy Soldier]

Or better yet an example of a law we can't make currently? Because the idea that we can't make domestic laws is false.

[Cherie]

we can unbend the non bendy banana law yay!

[Tom4784]

A lot of leavers tend to believe that their version of Brexit is the brexit that everyone wants. The problem is that no one can truly say what kind of Brexit people want because we were only asked if we wanted to leave, not how we wanted to leave.

Brexit as it stands is impossible to deliver to satisfaction because there's no consensus, even among the leavers of what they want.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

A lot of leavers tend to believe that their version of Brexit is the brexit that everyone wants. The problem is that no one can truly say what kind of Brexit people want because we were only asked if we wanted to leave, not how we wanted to leave.

Brexit as it stands is impossible to deliver to satisfaction because there's no consensus, even among the leavers of what they want.

This 100%.

It's why I do really think that a second referendum should happen on what kind of Brexit people want at the very least.