[James]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

side note, Billy Dee Williams looks still quite good despite his age of 83

They made it look like he was flirting with that girl at the end.

[Smithy]

I just watched this for the first time last week and it was ****ing trash

Don’t know how anybody enjoyed it

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by James

They made it look like he was flirting with that girl at the end.

i more had a thought like ''maybe for possible new material for an eventual spin off'' about this girl since she doesn't know where she is from

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Jake Lloyd's childhood was basically ruined by the backlash from his appearance in Phantom Menace, and I don't think that's ever talked about. Same with Jar Jar's actor, Ahmed Best, he actually considered suicide over the online abuse he was facing, and no-one said he should be left alone either.

You do have a point when it comes to the SW franchise to be fair; the evidence that male actors wouldn't face backlash is... lacking. Hayden Christensen's career didn't come out of the prequel trilogy particularly well either, he was widely panned as Anakin.

The problem is that there's an almost cult-like extended SW fan base that goes back literally decades, and whenever that happens, you will see a lot of hatred mounting over perceived issues where it would be overlooked elsewhere. Star Wars especially is quite a divided fan base - half like the lore and extended universe and want to see those concepts and stories taken and run with in a more... modern... way (I personally fall into this category) - others are in it for the nostalgia and mainly looking to "recapture the originals". The results are mixed. I personally think the absolute worst of the new movies are when they come off as cheesy late 70's "family films" and I would VERY much welcome a darker, "15"-rated Star Wars story . For me, personally, you could have cut BOTH Rose and Finn out of The Last Jedi - the entire subplot . It was only there for the "ye olde Star Wars" factor IMO and was a waste of screen time . Finn was a good character in Episode VII but wasted after that.

This is probably why I much prefer SW video games to the movies... I like the lore a lot, I sort of intensely dislike the schlocky "let's recapture the original movies" stuff.

I also liked The Mandalorian and hope they continue in a similar direction with the other Disney+ stuff in future.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Hayden Christensen's career didn't come out of the prequel trilogy particularly well either, he was widely panned as Anakin.

Well, quite. Maybe it's because people don't like things (they think) suck, instead of hating either gender

I don't know or care if Rey is a "Mary Sue", I literally don't have an opinion either way. I do think her character is garbage because like I said before, her healing powers make Vader's fall to the dark side pointless, and she's waay overpowered compared to what had been established.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

half like the lore and extended universe and want to see those concepts and stories taken and run with in a more... modern... way (I personally fall into this category)

I wonder what you mean by modern?

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by LukeB

This was great! Not as bad as the critics say and it’s not the worst star wars film some are saying. It was great watching it in 4DX as well.

re-watched it the other day and i still stand by this.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I wonder what you mean by modern?

The quality of Sci-fi blockbusters increased dramatically from the mid 80's onwards (granted, this is in part THANKS to Star Wars) and IMO the attempts to recapture the "feel" of the original trilogy results in something that's a bit too cheesy / "family fun" / twee for my liking. A few too many "high fives all round, gang!" moments. I dunno how to describe it. A bit "white picket fence"?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LukeB

re-watched it the other day and I still stand by this.

Oh it's not the worst Star Wars, certainly. If you cut out the Telltale Games Leia and the nonsensical force twincest kiss at the end it's an OK watch - far better than Episode VIII at the very least. I just think it (the entire VII - IX trilogy) could have been something so much better .

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I do think her character is garbage because like I said before, her healing powers make Vader's fall to the dark side pointless, and she's waay overpowered compared to what had been established.

I agree with that, her ability as a Jedi makes no sense, jumps the shark massively. She has abilities comparable to Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan/Anakin in the prequel trilogy... who were trained for decades, from childhood, by other high-level Jedi. She should be more like Luke in the OG trilogy - i.e. an utterly pish Jedi in comparison to the "legendary" pre-Empire Jedi. She was fine in the first film and even the 2nd but in this one her abilities took a dramatic leap forward that was purely for plot convenience.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The quality of Sci-fi blockbusters increased dramatically from the mid 80's onwards (granted, this is in part THANKS to Star Wars) and IMO the attempts to recapture the "feel" of the original trilogy results in something that's a bit too cheesy / "family fun" / twee for my liking. A few too many "high fives all round, gang!" moments. I dunno how to describe it. A bit "white picket fence"?

ha, I can get that.

To be fair, the Prequels had a different feel to the Originals too.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I agree with that, her ability as a Jedi makes no sense, jumps the shark massively. She has abilities comparable to Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan/Anakin in the prequel trilogy... who were trained for decades, from childhood, by other high-level Jedi. She should be more like Luke in the OG trilogy - i.e. an utterly pish Jedi in comparison to the "legendary" pre-Empire Jedi. She was fine in the first film and even the 2nd but in this one her abilities took a dramatic leap forward that was purely for plot convenience.

Even in the first one she was a touch overpowered, she pulled the lightsabre from the snow, which Luke struggled with in Empire. she also did an Obi Wan mind trick on the Daniel Craig stormtrooper, which Luke only ever did to Bib Fortuna in VI

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

ha, I can get that.

To be fair, the Prequels had a different feel to the Originals too.

Well, that's the thing; the prequels feel like movies made in the late 90's - early 00's... which they are. The sequels feel like they're playing dress-up as early 80's sci-fi "but with modern effects" and while I think it was fun for Episode VII, they should have moved on after that and stopped trying to play to nostalgia. If anything they doubled down on it in IX.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Even in the first one she was a touch overpowered, she pulled the lightsabre from the snow, which Luke struggled with in Empire. she also did an Obi Wan mind trick on the Daniel Craig stormtrooper, which Luke only ever did to Bib Fortuna in VI

Right, but she wasn't cutting TIE Fighters in half! Plus they tried to explain it as her having been trained by Leia... who was briefly trained as an adult.. by Luke... who was VERY briefly trained by a couple of actual Jedi.

In the prequels they made such a big deal of it being imperative for Jedi to be started really young to reach their potential, they thought Anakin was too old at like 8 ... but now apparently you can just learn it all in a couple of years, from someone who learned it from their brother, who was never formally trained.

[Oliver_W]

All this could have been covered if Palpy said something about his bloodline being very powerful in the Force, or even that he was remotely helping her out so she'd be stronger when he was ready to use her...

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

even that he was remotely helping her out so she'd be stronger when he was ready to use her...

Palpatine secretly transferring force "power ups" to Rey across the galaxy would have been an amazing twist