[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

You have been falsely predicting an impeachment for 2 years now, when will you admit defeat??

Well this post aged like milk, didn't it?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Well this post aged like milk, didn't it?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

It's not that funny, powdered milk can last.

[Ammi]

...it’s hard to know why she would have said what she did...an attention cry..?../..worries and anxieties in her school or home life...?...it’s impossible for us to know atm, but thankfully the falsehood has been revealed and I hope that all children involved are given appropriate counselling ...for me though, this doesn’t compare with Jessie Smollett, who is an adult and has a celebrity status ...so any reasoning of possible ‘attention cry’ could not be looked at in the same way...and I think it’s important to keep in balance how rare this type of false claim appears to be...

..’False claims of racially-motivated assault are rare, according to Katheryn Russell-Brown, who directs the University of Florida Law School’s Center for the Study of Race and Race Relations.’...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Well this post aged like milk, didn't it?

[bitontheslide]

would be nice if people didn't attack/ridicule posters that are unable to defend themselves

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Well this post aged like milk, didn't it?

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Tbf I'd have saved this until after any potential impeachment because if I was a betting man... well, I wouldn't necessarily bet on him dodging it, but I certainly wouldn't be putting any money on impeachment going ahead. Not in today's world.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

would be nice if people didn't attack/ridicule posters that are unable to defend themselves

Yes it's pretty unnecessary,but are you surprised

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Tbf I'd have saved this until after any potential impeachment because if I was a betting man... well, I wouldn't necessarily bet on him dodging it, but I certainly wouldn't be putting any money on impeachment going ahead. Not in today's world.

That's true tbf, honestly I reckon they could find a dead body buried under his patio and he'd probably still get away with it

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

would be nice if people didn't attack/ridicule posters that are unable to defend themselves

Oh come off it, it's hardly an attack

[Liam-]

Yeah he’s definitely not getting impeached, there are way too many spineless Republicans to let it happen while they’ve still got the majority, they value their positions over their country unfortunately

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That's true tbf, honestly I reckon they could find a dead body buried under his patio and he'd probably still get away with it

My prediction for Trump is that he'll do a full 8 years and then find himself under the spotlight as soon as he's done. However he'll be 78 by then, and add on a couple of years of legal proceedings, chances are he'll be dead or senile and declared unfit for trial before anything even happens.

[Kizzy]

Best Christmas present ever?... Trump and Johnson deposed

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...it’s hard to know why she would have said what she did...an attention cry..?../..worries and anxieties in her school or home life...?...it’s impossible for us to know atm, but thankfully the falsehood has been revealed and I hope that all children involved are given appropriate counselling ...for me though, this doesn’t compare with Jessie Smollett, who is an adult and has a celebrity status ...so any reasoning of possible ‘attention cry’ could not be looked at in the same way...and I think it’s important to keep in balance how rare this type of false claim appears to be...

..’False claims of racially-motivated assault are rare, according to Katheryn Russell-Brown, who directs the University of Florida Law School’s Center for the Study of Race and Race Relations.’...

Yes, poor her. Don't worry about the innocent boys she accused of a race, hate crime, or as the media called them, "the White Boys". Of course, they wasn't White boys with the media after we found out it was a hoax, they were back to being just boys.

Maybe if Juicy Smulay had have been made an example of and thrown in prison for manufacturing a race hate crime, this girl may not have got any ideas to do something as stupid.

My problem isn't even with the girl, my problem is with the media and others that jumped to judgement without any facts, because their eyes were popping out of their head with excitement that they might have a race story. This is the third story this year where the media as done that, that I know about, with Smulay and the Covington School kids.

[Alf]

Maybe the next race hate crime will be real, but it would be quite reasonable for people not believe it after these events. The boy who cried Wolf and all that.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

Maybe the next race hate crime will be real, but it would be quite reasonable for people not believe it after these events. The boy who cried Wolf and all that.

This is a standard that only ever applies to certain crimes though. No one ever says this about tax fraud or bank robbery, but it applies to rape and race.

Not only do these crimes have to reach a higher level of proof, but they are also the quickest to be used against any future person making the same accusations. Wonder why.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

This is a standard that only ever applies to certain crimes though. No one ever says this about tax fraud or bank robbery, but it applies to rape and race.

Not only do these crimes have to reach a higher level of proof, but they are also the quickest to be used against any future person making the same accusations. Wonder why.

Yeah 100%, you get the odd case of someone lying and it suddenly proves that no one ever gets raped or racially abused and anyone saying so is a big fat liar............great logic

[Alf]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

This is a standard that only ever applies to certain crimes though. No one ever says this about tax fraud or bank robbery, but it applies to rape and race.

Not only do these crimes have to reach a higher level of proof, but they are also the quickest to be used against any future person making the same accusations. Wonder why.

If you believe actual crimes like tax fraud or bank robbery are the same as innocent people being accused of a horrible crime, then I can't really debate you. You're not coming from a genuine place.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Tbf I'd have saved this until after any potential impeachment because if I was a betting man... well, I wouldn't necessarily bet on him dodging it, but I certainly wouldn't be putting any money on impeachment going ahead. Not in today's world.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

My prediction for Trump is that he'll do a full 8 years and then find himself under the spotlight as soon as he's done. However he'll be 78 by then, and add on a couple of years of legal proceedings, chances are he'll be dead or senile and declared unfit for trial before anything even happens.

Originally Posted by Liam-

Yeah he’s definitely not getting impeached, there are way too many spineless Republicans to let it happen while they’ve still got the majority, they value their positions over their country unfortunately

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That's true tbf, honestly I reckon they could find a dead body buried under his patio and he'd probably still get away with it

Yeah, tbh I think the Dems know the only way there's a slither of a chance he won't serve his second term is impeachment, so they're using every opportunity they can.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

If you believe actual crimes like tax fraud or bank robbery are the same as innocent people being accused of a horrible crime, then I can't really debate you. You're not coming from a genuine place.

People still make false accusations though, and that's what your post was about; namely, that it would be understandable for no one to believe the next accuser of a hate crime. My point was that no one actually uses this argument anywhere else apart from 2 extremely specific areas; race/hate crime, and violence against women.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

This is a standard that only ever applies to certain crimes though. No one ever says this about tax fraud or bank robbery, but it applies to rape and race.

Not only do these crimes have to reach a higher level of proof, but they are also the quickest to be used against any future person making the same accusations. Wonder why.

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah 100%, you get the odd case of someone lying and it suddenly proves that no one ever gets raped or racially abused and anyone saying so is a big fat liar............great logic

Have any high profile hate crimes actually turned out to be not-fake?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Yeah, tbh I think the Dems know the only way there's a slither of a chance he won't serve his second term is impeachment, so they're using every opportunity they can.

Trump isn't winning the 2020 election if he's still in office, without some major shenanigans going on.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Trump isn't winning the 2020 election if he's still in office, without some major shenanigans going on.

Only if you believe that Clinton-skepticism played a large role in the 2016 election. Otherwise most likely scenario for 2020 is a very similar outcome. People don't change, at least not quickly, it's exactly the same reason that there's not much point running a 2nd Brexit referendum. It would still show a roughly 50/50 split, despite all we've seen in the last 3 years.

There's a reason that only one president in the last 40 years hasn't had two full terms.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Have any high profile hate crimes actually turned out to be not-fake?

The ones where people actually died.....no denying those ones I guess?

*I'm talking about shootings, targeting Mosques and the like or are they just "mentally ill" individuals rather than perpetrators of hate crimes?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Only if you believe that Clinton-skepticism played a large role in the 2016 election. Otherwise most likely scenario for 2020 is a very similar outcome. People don't change, at least not quickly, it's exactly the same reason that there's not much point running a 2nd Brexit referendum. It would still show a roughly 50/50 split, despite all we've seen in the last 3 years.

Do you not believe Clinton-Skepticism? Of course this is only anecdotal but while I was in the states just before the election most Americans we spoke to about it said they were voting Trump because they disliked Hilary so much......of course they could have just been saying that because on some level they realise that voting Trump seems a bit ... hhhmmm not attractive? (I can't think of the word I'm searching for here) but you know, that they were slightly embarrassed at admitting that they just wanted to vote for him so need to give some sort of justification for it?