[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by arista

I'd just like to say again that this graphic is hilarious.

[arista]

[arista]

[Oliver_W]

"Here's a great idea: let's hand over an important part of our infrastructure which deals with a lot of sensitive and confidential information over to ... China! They're so trustworthy!"

[arista]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

"Here's a great idea: let's hand over an important part of our infrastructure which deals with a lot of sensitive and confidential information over to ... China! They're so trustworthy!"

[BT warns it will take a DECADE to remove Huawei from the UK telecoms network]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-network.html

[arista]

[The U-turn could jeopardise Boris Johnson’s target
to roll out full fibre broadband to the entire country by 2025.
BT chief executive Philip Jansen said yesterday it could take
ten years to strip out Huawei’s equipment from UK networks.
He also warned of ‘outages’ and possible security risks
if the sector was told to curtail all business with the
Chinese technology firm during the 5G network upgrade]

[Ministers are braced for backlash from Beijing
when they confirm today that Huawei is banned
from involvement in UK's 5G network
Telecoms firms to be banned on installing new
equipment supplied by Huawei
Huawei executives held talks with officials
in the hope of watering down plans
BT boss says it could take ten years to
strip Huawei equipment from UK networks]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...G-network.html

Was debated on on NewsnightHD BBC2

So once dates are given
to rip it out.
No full working 5G for us

https://news.sky.com/story/huawei-fi...twork-12027726

[bitontheslide]

I would rather have a slower network than one operated by a hostile foreign power. Stopping roll out of that equipment is the correct decision

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I would rather have a slower network than one operated by a hostile foreign power. Stopping roll out of that equipment is the correct decision

it's like new phones, the old one works fine it's not that long since 4G was added anyway

[Toy Soldier]

I'm not bothered about 5g, 4g is ample for handheld devices and full-wired connections will ALWAYS be better in the home. 5g can beat home broadband "raw download speeds", sometimes by a large margin, but it is nowhere near to matching ping speeds (responsiveness) or network stability which is (in my opinion) far more important than speed. They should be focussing on rolling out full fibre-to-the-door so that we can have ultra-fast wired home broadband .


Howefferrrrrrrr the Huawei issue is a thinly-veiled US trade sanction on China. It is economic/political and has absolutely nothing to do with data security, much like the whole "TikTok is steal ur data!!" tinfoil hat nonsense.

[arista]

Yes TS but loads of Phone shops need 5G working
or contracts can go wrong.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes TS but loads of Phone shops need 5G working
or contracts can go wrong.

I suppose that's a point, if phone shops and providers have sold handsets based on a promise upcoming 5g, and there is no 5g, then you could probably argue that the handset was mis-sold...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I suppose that's a point, if phone shops and providers have sold handsets based on a promise upcoming 5g, and there is no 5g, then you could probably argue that the handset was mis-sold...

Once the Dates Arrive(of Huawie kit removed from Poles and Boxes)
these shops need to refund folks


What is crazy is any Nokia Errickson
kit is also made in China

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by arista

What is crazy is any Nokia Errickson
kit is also made in China

The hardware isn't the problem though, any data concerns would be firmware/software related and (one assumes) Nokia does those in-house.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The hardware isn't the problem though, any data concerns would be firmware/software related and (one assumes) Nokia does those in-house.

Yes of course they are still
behind the 5G race
Not able to match the Huawie prices or product.


A minister is due to annouce a ban today
press are saying?

[arista]

Oliver Dowden MP Culture Secretary
is due to speak soon.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes of course they are still
behind the 5G race
Not able to match the Huawie prices or product.


A minister is due to annouce a ban today
press are saying?

Yes arista sell your Huwwy stock now if you haven't already

[arista]

Live in Parliament
Dowden MP
TV news and Radio


He has blamed the USA measures.

From the End of this year Dec 31st
no company must buy Huawei


By the end of 2027
All Huawei 5G Equipment must be removed.

[Toy Soldier]

We're headed into a sanctions war and probably an ensuing cold war with China riding the wake of the US at the moment. Hopefully just a cold war. Scarier things going on than Covid, folks.

[arista]

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

We're headed into a sanctions war and probably an ensuing cold war with China riding the wake of the US at the moment. Hopefully just a cold war. Scarier things going on than Covid, folks.

Yes China warned
this will cause trouble

[arista]

[Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027
The UK's mobile providers are being banned
from buying new Huawei 5G equipment
after 31 December, and they must also remove
all the Chinese firm's 5G kit from their networks by 2027.

Digital Secretary Oliver Dowden
told the House of Commons of the decision.
It follows sanctions imposed by Washington,
which claims the firm poses
a national security threat - something Huawei denies.

Mr Dowden said the move would delay
the country's 5G rollout by a year.
"This has not been an easy decision,
but it is the right one for the UK telecoms networks,
for our national security and our economy,
both now and indeed in the long run," he said.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53403793


Huawei blocked: Tech must be stripped
from UK's 5G network by 2027

https://news.sky.com/story/huawei-bl...-2027-12028177

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes China warned
this will cause trouble

It's just the start, the US intends to gradually erode and economically destroy China over time. Tech industries are an easy sell for a first step because the general public (and plenty of politicians) are easily rattled by the idea of "scary hacker stuff!!" so will justify it on those grounds. It'll progress from there and, because China is wholly reliant on international trade for basic sustenance, they will use their military might against nearest-neighbours to ensure that their own people are fed. This will be branded an act of unwarranted aggression in the West and used to justify full isolation of China - and I can't see that going anywhere other than a full scale conflict.

Things like pandemics and economic disruption lead to war. It's tried-and-tested global history.

[bitontheslide]

the usa sanctions meant that Hauwei couldn't use the chipset on their hardware that was agreed. That makes a big difference, because if its cheap chips of chinese design then they could easily be vulnerable. Once America turns the screw, they make it impossible for other nations not to tow the line. I think though that after Hong Kong, the UK changed it's stance significantly

[arista]

[arista]