[parmnion]

And what are the best ways to approach it.

[Vicky.]

Guessing this was prompted by my post in the Arthur thread?

I would say maybe early teens, but not as in, positions or anything ( ) but like, how to do it safely. Same as how I think vaginal sex should be 'taught' really.

[Matthew.]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

The answer is the same time as we tell them about vaginal and oral sex

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[GiRTh]

No, never. People need to find these things out for themselves and not be under pressure to do certain things cuz they've seen them in porn or have been told about.

[parmnion]

Well..this is the way I see it...


If we do actually teach them about it...we are teaching them about sticking a penis up a **** hole....pause and think about that for a bit..

[parmnion]

And do the teachers end the lesson by rounding off with...but it's ok for mummy and daddy to do it as well.

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

And do the teachers end the lesson by rounding off with...but it's ok for mummy and daddy to do it as well.

if I was a teacher I'd start with that

[Withano]

The same time they get taught about STD’s hopefully (year 9 iirc)

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I would be in the strictly thread if I was drunk...perhaps you should stop.being so bloody rude to people.

nobody in their right mind makes a thread about teaching kids the in's and outs of anal sex...

Originally Posted by parmnion

If we do actually teach them about it...we are teaching them about sticking a penis up a **** hole....pause and think about that for a bit..

???

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Withano

The same time they get taught about STD’s hopefully (year 9 iirc)

Good point actually...a very very good point..what age is year nine then because that is clearly a discussion that it could be brought up in and an age I would agree with.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

nobody in their right mind makes a thread about teaching kids the in's and outs of anal sex...


???

This isn't about teaching them about the ins nor the outs of it...but I share your concerns to an extent.

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Guessing this was prompted by my post in the Arthur thread?

I would say maybe early teens, but not as in, positions or anything ( ) but like, how to do it safely. Same as how I think vaginal sex should be 'taught' really.

Random thing I learnt recently about sex ed..seems theres actually a bit of a push on right now for teachers to focus more on the 'pleasure' side of things when doing sex ed in general. I know some seem to think this is the 'progressive' way to go, but honestly it makes me feel a bit ill. And I think any teacher who would be happy with doing a sex ed lesson with, say 14 year olds and being willing to tell them what positions to try and tell them what you find pleasurable and stuff..should be nowhere ****ing near any classroom.

Of course pleasure is an important part of (good) sex however, I do not think its appopriate at all to go into stuff like that with underage people. Prudish of me, maybe but..ugh no.

That must be very recent, I think I finished looking at Sex Ed 4 years ago and we didn't talk about how sex could be enjoyable. I agree with you completely, I don't think it's necessary, and I really don't think it's appropriate to detail it in such a way. Saying "it should be enjoyable" is good! But to discuss positions is... wow

(Bearing in mind I went to a Catholic school, so if it has been something introduced in the past few years I wouldn't put it past me for mine to completely omit it)

On that note, I remember I was thinking "uhm are you allowed to do that?" when my friend wrote about anal sex (which we weren't taught) in his sex ed essay

I wonder what the curriculum is for sex ed in non-Catholic schools. Our sex ed was split across Biology (we did a few lessons on it in Year 7) and then everything else (ethics, STIs, consent, law, etc) in Religious Studies (and of course, Christian attitudes to contraception). And even then I don't remember any sex ed from Year 7 Biology, just most the class in uproar because the teacher said "penis" and she said "it's okay I'll let you all laugh about it for a minute".
I really think I/we should've been taught about anal sex when contraception came up. We barely even talked about how condoms help prevent the transmission of STIs because our teacher was so religious she was against talking about and encouraging artificial contraception there does seem to be a myth still that gay people can just, not use a condom because they can't get pregnant, and it would've helped if they sat with us and said, "use one. You will probably get STIs without them")

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Guessing this was prompted by my post in the Arthur thread?

I would say maybe early teens, but not as in, positions or anything ( ) but like, how to do it safely. Same as how I think vaginal sex should be 'taught' really.

Would you teach it to teenage girls Vicky?

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Withano

The same time they get taught about STD’s hopefully (year 9 iirc)

This

The sex ed I learnt in first year completely went out my head (and not to play Devil's advocate, but if sex ed is being taught as part of Biology like I was, is it really Biology?) whereas I can remember a lot of the contraception and STD talks in year 9. And that's not by virtue of it being more recent - when I was learning about contraception and STIs in Year 9 I had forgotten all of the Year 7 content. It's certainly more relevant at the age of 13/14 than 11/12

[Withano]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Good point actually...a very very good point..what age is year nine then because that is clearly a discussion that it could be brought up in and an age I would agree with.

year 9 is 13-14 years old.

It’s either year 8 or 9 they learn about STD’s, cba to look up curriculums - maybe someone else knows the answer.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Ant.

That must be very recent, I think I finished looking at Sex Ed 4 years ago and we didn't talk about how sex could be enjoyable. I agree with you completely, I don't think it's necessary, and I really don't think it's appropriate to detail it in such a way. Saying "it should be enjoyable" is good! But to discuss positions is... wow

(Bearing in mind I went to a Catholic school, so if it has been something introduced in the past few years I wouldn't put it past me for mine to completely omit it)

On that note, I remember I was thinking "uhm are you allowed to do that?" when my friend wrote about anal sex (which we weren't taught) in his sex ed essay

I wonder what the curriculum is for sex ed in non-Catholic schools. Our sex ed was split across Biology (we did a few lessons on it in Year 7) and then everything else (ethics, STIs, consent, law, etc) in Religious Studies (and of course, Christian attitudes to contraception). And even then I don't remember any sex ed from Year 7 Biology, just most the class in uproar because the teacher said "penis" and she said "it's okay I'll let you all laugh about it for a minute".
I really think I/we should've been taught about anal sex when contraception came up. We barely even talked about how condoms help prevent the transmission of STIs because our teacher was so religious she was against talking about and encouraging artificial contraception there does seem to be a myth still that gay people can just, not use a condom because they can't get pregnant, and it would've helped if they sat with us and said, "use one. You will probably get STIs without them")

I love that post ant...see when everyone giggled at the word penis.......that was my sex education at school...

And maybe when some stranger popped thier cold hand down my y fronts to cup my balls before asking me to cough as my nervous classmates lined up behind me shivering nervously in thier pants.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Ant.

That must be very recent, I think I finished looking at Sex Ed 4 years ago and we didn't talk about how sex could be enjoyable. I agree with you completely, I don't think it's necessary, and I really don't think it's appropriate to detail it in such a way. Saying "it should be enjoyable" is good! But to discuss positions is... wow

(Bearing in mind I went to a Catholic school, so if it has been something introduced in the past few years I wouldn't put it past me for mine to completely omit it)

I removed that bit so as to not make the thread offtopic, given my post that varied slightly from the thread topic in another thread was the reason this thread was created to start with

Its not being taught exactly. Theres a fair bit of noise online and from prominent campaigners to 're-do' sex ed including stuff such as mastubration techniques (seriously ) and stuff. I find it dodgy as hell, but when I said this, I was told I was being close minded and 'sex-negative' so was kind of on my mind anyway and then sort of fit the thread but sort of didnt too. Removed after clicking onto how this will likely go, and might make a seperate thread for that tomorrow when I have actually had some sleep as not slept for ages now

Think I will log off in a sec as I seem to be..causing issues all over today Plus, I really really do need to sleep lol

[parmnion]

Surely the modern day father can take on the role of the masterbation technique teacher...he could even add tips on how to avoid the beard.

Yeas, no?

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Ant.

The sex ed I learnt in first year completely went out my head (and not to play Devil's advocate, but if sex ed is being taught as part of Biology like I was, is it really Biology?) whereas I can remember a lot of the contraception and STD talks in year 9. And that's not by virtue of it being more recent - when I was learning about contraception and STIs in Year 9 I had forgotten all of the Year 7 content. It's certainly more relevant at the age of 13/14 than 11/12

imo my school handled it all pretty well. We had science lessons in year 6 and 7 that taught us about sex as a means of reproduction. In year 7 and 9 we had an external group come in and teach us about consent, contraception, safe sex and std's basically sex from a less clinical perspective. They also had an office in school where you could go and speak to them about any concerns you may have etc they also gave out c-cards.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Would you teach it to teenage girls Vicky?

It depends what you mean by teach it I guess.

If I was in the unfortunate position of being stuck doing sex ed, I would bring up anal sex and how to be safe when doing it. As its surely better that they know this than don't. Even moreso these days, when porn is more prominent than ever and teen girls seem even more under pressure than they ever were to do stuff like anal sex. Thats kind of..based on what my stepdaughter says rather than any actual studies or anything though. Seems basically, teen girls are expected/pressured to be like porn stars, to do what porn stars do and do all the grooming and stuff also. Apparently 'everyone does anal' and even...choking has came up from boys in her year. Asked about brazillians and such...its really quite awful, especially if its widespread. I remember being under pressure at her age, however it was never for all this porny stuff. Then again, porn wasn't so readily available when I was a teen so

(Obviously not saying anal is only for porn stars. Incase its taken that way)

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I removed that bit so as to not make the thread offtopic, given my post that varied slightly from the thread topic in another thread was the reason this thread was created to start with

Its not being taught exactly. Theres a fair bit of noise online and from prominent campaigners to 're-do' sex ed including stuff such as mastubration techniques (seriously ) and stuff. I find it dodgy as hell, but when I said this, I was told I was being close minded and 'sex-negative' so was kind of on my mind anyway and then sort of fit the thread but sort of didnt too. Removed after clicking onto how this will likely go, and might make a seperate thread for that tomorrow when I have actually had some sleep as not slept for ages now

Think I will log off in a sec as I seem to be..causing issues all over today Plus, I really really do need to sleep lol

Oh flip do you want me to edit my response? (I'm only asking because it seems to have carried on in your message here )

I completely agree with you. As far as I know there's no 'wrong' way to masturbate, so it shouldn't be taught imo, it's unnecessary and a bit... disturbing to talk about with kids (plus I can't imagine how some of the kids would feel)

Get some sleep but I don't think you're causing any issues especially if you think this is one

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

It depends what you mean by teach it I guess.

If I was in the unfortunate position of being stuck doing sex ed, I would bring up anal sex and how to be safe when doing it. As its surely better that they know this than don't. Even moreso these days, when porn is more prominent than ever and teen girls seem even more under pressure than they ever were to do stuff like anal sex. Thats kind of..based on what my stepdaughter says rather than any actual studies or anything though. Seems basically, teen girls are expected/pressured to be like porn stars, to do what porn stars do and do all the grooming and stuff also. Apparently 'everyone does anal' and even...choking has came up from boys in her year. Asked about brazillians and such...its really quite awful, especially if its widespread. I remember being under pressure at her age, however it was never for all this porny stuff. Then again, porn wasn't so readily available when I was a teen so

(Obviously not saying anal is only for porn stars. Incase its taken that way)

Urghhh...That's what I mean. ..if you teach it to the full curriculum then you have to tech it to teenage girls...it's a bit like....sorry girls, but your going to have to brace yourself.



I feel really uneasy about the role they will have to play in such valued lessons.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Ant.

Oh flip do you want me to edit my response? (I'm only asking because it seems to have carried on in your message here )

I completely agree with you. As far as I know there's no 'wrong' way to masturbate, so it shouldn't be taught imo, it's unnecessary and a bit... disturbing to talk about with kids (plus I can't imagine how some of the kids would feel)

Get some sleep but I don't think you're causing any issues especially if you think this is one

Up to you, you seem to have put a fair bit of effort into the reply though so it seems a bit daft to waste it? And its already inspired other discussion too. Plus, keeping a thread specifically about one kind of sex seems a bit, restrictive anyway so surely different stuff would be brought up at some stage anyway..

Will have a look at the thread/forum in the morning and decide what to do with it all as really not in the best headspace right now Really hope it doesnt all end up kicking off given its kind of my fault!

Will prob make a thread on the 'teaching pleasure' thing though, as while its mainly online chatter at the moment, it has been drawn up by a prominent campaigner, and apparently as a random 'fun fact' has been backed by Stephen Fry too. Though what relevance that has to anything I don't know Will read up more on it anyway, before posting to be sure I have understood it all right..

Night (:

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

imo my school handled it all pretty well. We had science lessons in year 6 and 7 that taught us about sex as a means of reproduction. In year 7 and 9 we had an external group come in and teach us about consent, contraception, safe sex and std's basically sex from a less clinical perspective. They also had an office in school where you could go and speak to them about any concerns you may have etc they also gave out c-cards.

I'm so uneducated on it all I had to google what a c-card is

We learnt about is as a mean of reproduction in year 7, same as you, but that was it. We only learnt about consent, contraception, safe sex and std's in Year 9, but there was some bias as we learnt about it from a religious aspect.
We had no office for that, and there's no office at my college... I didn't realise that was a thing, that's such a good idea

The only external help we had for consent/STIs was a drama group coming in in Year 10 and doing a drama about unsafe sex and how a girl got pregnant and decided to abort the child. For an idea as to how poorly executed it was, a girl had to leave the room because the play made her upset (she had an abortion a month before the play )

[parmnion]

Just for the record......I don't give too hoots if any of my threads are taken off into another discussion....and I don't know why Vicky thinks she's causing problems either.