[arista]

[Wizard.]

If you're well off, I don't see why you shouldn't pay for it, but in my opinion, people who are unemployed and OAP's on state pension shouldn't have to pay for a TV license.

[Vicky.]

Don't really understand why they exempt tbh, its the same with the 'bedroom tax'..pensioners are exempt even though its extremely likely they have 'spare rooms'

Mind..I bet the BBC is doing this as more and more people are finding out that they do not have to have one..so are cancelling so they are trying to claw money back.

Meanwhile, TV licensing took my mother in law to court, for being A DAY late on paying hers. ****ing wankers. I just shut the door on them if they come here, have had many of them state they have the right to search my property and that which is bollocks.

I disagree with the TV license completely if that was not obvious. However, if people under 75 have to pay I see no reason for the people over 75 to pay too, especially given I would assume that most elderly people have a hell of a lot better income than younger people do!

[joeysteele]

The whole thing should be scrapped for everyone.
TV Licensing are a total disgrace.

I really hope if this doesn't get overturned, that this will at long last be the overdue start of getting rid of this once and for all.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Mind..I bet the BBC is doing this as more and more people are finding out that they do not have to have one..

People actually thought that it was mandatory to have a TV?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

maybe cut the exorbitant salaries for start

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

People actually thought that it was mandatory to have a TV?

So many were lied to on their doorsteps by peoply who must have had the worst custmer service type training ever!

A lot of my friends had one because they had been told (by tv licensing) that even if you do not watch TV..if you have a device capable of watching live TV you have to pay it too..which again, is utter bollocks

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

So many were lied to on their doorsteps by peoply who must have had the worst custmer service type training ever!

A lot of my friends had one because they had been told (by tv licensing) that even if you do not watch TV...if you have a device capable of watching live TV you have to pay it too..which again, is utter bollocks

Well, the rule is if you watch any live television as it is broadcast or watch a BBC catch-up service ie. iPlayer.

Other catch up services, streaming services or other recorded programmes after broadcast you don't need one.

So, if they have a TV with an aerial and claim they never switch it on then that's a bit of a fib.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Well, the rule is if you watch any live television as it is broadcast or watch a BBC catch-up service ie. iPlayer.

Other catch up services, streaming services or other recorded programmes after broadcast you don't need one.

So, if they have a TV with an aerial and claim they never switch it on then that's a bit of a fib.

We have a tv with an arial that we don't watch live TV on as we much prefer streaming to remove the ads and that. Its there and connected still (I think..been years now)just unused.

Even if they are lying anyway, I don't blame them. Its a ridiculous thing, and I have always hated it and found it unfair (especially to the people who dont watch/listen to bbc stuff, or whom there are many), but whats gone on with my mother in law is a brand new level of hatred towards the whole thing..judge accepted the guilty plea (even though she does have reciepts to prove she paid every other payment on time, just that one month her benefit was late so she paid the next day, have checked back 6 blody years and never a late payment til then..) but bumped fine up to 170. For having no license for a day They are horrible horrible arseholes and their staff are just trained in lying, manipulation and..trying to scare you sometimes too. I have told my mother in law that it might feel rude, but if they come again then literally slam the door in their faces, else she could be tricked into signing a form that allows TV license to prosecute her. They told her she was signing for a new TV license payment card as hers had ran out. Utter dickheads.

Rant over :/ Its a bad topic for me at the min.

[arista]

[arista]

[Marsh.]

Tbf, I agree to an extent.

Whether you get it free should be judged on your individual circumstances, not on your age.

There are old and young people more than capable of paying, and old and young people who can't afford it.

[bitontheslide]

Age uk are running a petition to get this decision reversed, I urge everyone to sign it

https://www.ageuk.org.uk/our-impact/...-older-people/

[arista]

Also itv GMBHD
is fighting for the very old

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Age uk are running a petition to get this decision reversed, I urge everyone to sign it

https://www.ageuk.org.uk/our-impact/...-older-people/

free tv means no money for BBC, meaning more shows need to be axed since they can't pay for them anymore

meaning lesser good shows to watch for the older people

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Tbf, I agree to an extent.

Whether you get it free should be judged on your individual circumstances, not on your age.

There are old and young people more than capable of paying, and old and young people who can't afford it.

Hi Marsh.
I agree with your 2nd paragraph.

Then again, I think the infernal thing should be scrapped for all.
I've no sympathy with the BBC, I think all its coverage and programming has gone down anyway.

Sports, watching that does my head in the way they switch channels etc during say Wimbledon.

Cut out so many presenters on shows too.
Are 2 really needed for things like Strictly.

Just going for advertising like everyone else.
There'll be companies clamouring to get spots in things like EastEnders for example.

To your first point which is valid.
The thing is, the over 75s were given free licences.
They were assured by this government in 2017, pensioner issues would be protected at least to the next election.

Now it's not.
So in that, it is unfair and I say wrong to remove this now and within the next year too.

I agree there are pensioners who could easily afford to pay it.
The governnents of both Parties agreed to make it free for all over 75.
For then just the older pensioners, not all pensioners.

I accept someone unemployed could have less than pensioners and still have to pay this atrocious just under Ł155, of this dinosaur tax.

It's infuriating that someone who has one TV and on around Ł150 a week.
Have to pay that Ł154.50 a year just to watch that TV.

While millionaires can have multiple TVs in near mansions and still only have to pay that Ł154.50.

For me, it's time this was scrapped once and for all and the BBC forced to work in the 21st century.
Like everything and everyone else..

This will lead to pensioners likely being dragged to court.
The elderly if alone can get into difficulties.
Sadly things like memory problems, dementia hit rich and poor pensioners alike.

There'll be no sympathy for them from the truly rotten and vile TV Licensing company.
It will be a disgrace when it happens and pensioners get summoned to court.

This is a terrible broken promise from the government, that this would be in place until 2022 at least.

As to the Pensioners saying they'd be happy to pay it.
Well nothing has stopped them doing so, so why haven't they done so already voluntarily.
Equally pension credit.
The government knows more pensioners should be claiming that, many haven't claimed it.
It's around 3 in 10 who should have it.

So ending the universal free over 75s TV licences, is going to cause hardship and likely worse for some even poorer pensioners.

Is this really what a caring society does to its much older citizens.

Just scrap the thing, penalise the BBC, not pensioners.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Age uk are running a petition to get this decision reversed, I urge everyone to sign it

https://www.ageuk.org.uk/our-impact/...-older-people/

signed, I get the argument about younger people struggling to pay it, but I think they are more likely to avoid paying also they are probably not dependant on TV for their entertainment as many housebound elderly are, at any rate it is not an argument as they have never had it and are unlikely to get it.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Cherie

signed, I get the argument about younger people struggling to pay it, but I think they are more likely to avoid paying also they are probably not dependant on TV for their entertainment as many housebound elderly are, at any rate it is not an argument as they have never had it and are unlikely to get it.

we youth now need to boycott free tv

[arista]

[Vicky.]

Again, should just be abolished completely. Rather than this argument that everyone else should still have to pay it under threat of prosecution, but those who have too high of a private pension to claim pension credit..should not pay. That sounds odd to me.

The only people who say it shouldn't be abolishied, tend to be those who will go on about how great BBC content is, so people who actually use what the bulk of the license is to pay for. They never seem to get that not everyone watchs BBC. Its amusing watching tv license arguments sometimes as it generally turns into the bbc people caling non bbc people greedy and stingey because they don't want to pay for something they don't use (or do use but would prefer BBC just used adverts like all others for funding, rather than taking 65 year olds to court to extract hundreds from them for a day of not being licensed..) but it tends to turn out that they think the TV license would be too expensive if it was opt in and only a few people paid. So, people are greedy for not wanting to pay it, however, if those who don't want it don't pay it stop having to pay it, those who do would have to pay more, so really they are kicking off to try and make others keep subsidizing it so that what THEY pay does not go up. So whos greedy really?

Similar to when you go for a meal with a group of friends, and that one dickhead orders the most expensive thing on the menu, multiple cocktails or expensive drinks while others eat/drink more moderately. Then when the bill comes, the overindulgent person will without fail say 'we are just splitting equally' as its 'easier'. And throw a proper strop if they are made to pay for their own, so others don't waste money on their expensive tastes..its always 'you are stingey, its only a few quid' or whatever. But yeah, greedy and selfish for only wanting to pay for what you eat/watch. Its cheeky really, for those who think that way to try and make out that the reasonable people are the ones being tight.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

oh **** off Piers


this whole story is a load of nonsense

basically over 75's well not trying to be rude or disrespectful but they don't have long to live and then what the youth in britain are stuck with actions what was done for those pensioners

same as brexit basically, majority of the brexit support comes from elderly and most of the remainers comes from youth

or am i saying completely wrong now?

this is ageist and disrespectful.

Many of the over 75's are frail, housebound and without friends and close relatives because they have out lived them. Television to many of them is the only company they have. Opinions like yours sicken me.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

oh **** off Piers


this whole story is a load of nonsense

basically over 75's well not trying to be rude or disrespectful but they don't have long to live and then what the youth in britain are stuck with actions what was done for those pensioners

same as brexit basically, majority of the brexit support comes from elderly and most of the remainers comes from youth

or am i saying completely wrong now?

very disrespectful Nicky

as someone said this morning just last week we were lauding the veterans .... now they can go away and die ...lovely

[Vicky.]

Also the 'dont have long to live' argument is both stupid and insensistive tbh. And some of these people might end up living another 40 years!

[Cherie]

and please dont tell me you are bringing Brexit into this Nicky, as many young people voted Brexit as well

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Cherie

very disrespectful Nicky

i am very fond of elderly anyway