[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

People in power are too short sighted to even try to move forward with this anyway. Keeping people ignorant and poor is a great way to control and they will be dead anyway when the world implodes so why should they give up their money and power? Basically

Yes, I'm kind of with you... I have no faith in humans because as a whole, they're selfish and greedy.

If I ran the world... and let's not discount that happening one day... I would make the United Nations into a useful thing, not the expensive and toothless organisation it is. No country should be run by a dictator...UN forces should be able to enter a country, depose the government and keep the country ticking over until a democratic election could be held, how ever long that takes. Right now, there is nothing but sanctions. We - the rest of the world - should be able to intervene with huge military might, made up of soldiers from all countries, whose function is to keep the peace.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There isn't one. Accept the status quo and hope that population increase eventually stabilizes and thank our lucky stars that we were born on the right side of the fence, try to do what little we can to make things as "least bad" for others as we possibly can, and swallow the pill. Global equality would only ever be possible with a MASSIVE drop in population as in 75%+.

Although my honest thinking is that the world can only comfortably support a few hundred million people "living their best life" . We're too adaptable, too good at surviving, and too good at reproducing. There's an irony in that I think. The human animal's individual ability to survive and adapt is the very thing that's going to destroy our home and ensure that our viability as a species is limited.

Read somewhere that around 1 billion is sustainable for the planet.
The current forecasts say we'll reach 11 billion before it starts falling.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

Zombies can't exist in real life, or can they

They can, but only close to canals. The Netherlands for example.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

They can, but only close to canals. The Netherlands for example.

Had to give this a little lol...

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

They can, but only close to canals. The Netherlands for example.

luckily i don't live near a canal then

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yes, I'm kind of with you... I have no faith in humans because as a whole, they're selfish and greedy.

If I ran the world... and let's not discount that happening one day... I would make the United Nations into a useful thing, not the expensive and toothless organisation it is. No country should be run by a dictator...UN forces should be able to enter a country, depose the government and keep the country ticking over until a democratic election could be held, how ever long that takes. Right now, there is nothing but sanctions. We - the rest of the world - should be able to intervene with huge military might, made up of soldiers from all countries, whose function is to keep the peace.

The only problem with another country/countries coming in and removing a dictator is if the people aren't educated or didn't pursue it themselves, it just leaves the place wide open for someone similar or worse to step into those dictators shoes. Similar to womens rights I think, alot of women in countries where they're treated as second class citizens are so brain washed all through their lives, I don't think just steam rolling in with change wouldn't be effective. They would need to want and fight for it themselves (with support of other countries of course if they wanted it and reached out for it)

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

luckily i don't live near a canal then

You say that, but...
Oh never mind. Stay safe anyway

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Read somewhere that around 1 billion is sustainable for the planet.
The current forecasts say well reach 11 billion before it starts falling.

1 billion is sustainable at subsistence levels, if we're talking about every person being able to live in the land of milk 'n' honey it would have to be a lot less.

Here's a scary list:

1 Squirrel Unknown
2 Bat Unknown
3 Mice Unknown
4 Rat Unknown
5 Human 7.6 Billion
6 Cow 1.5 Billion
7 Sheep 1.1 Billion
8 Pig 1 Billion
9 Dog 900 Million
10 Goat 860 Million
11 Rabbit 709 Million
12 Cat 600 Million
13 Water Buffalo 175 Million
14 Horse 60 Million


Take out the rodents:


1 Human 7.6 Billion
2 Cow 1.5 Billion
3 Sheep 1.1 Billion
4 Pig 1 Billion
5 Dog 900 Million
6 Goat 860 Million
7 Cat 600 Million
8 Water Buffalo 175 Million
9 Horse 60 Million


Take out the large mammals that are only there because humans breed them for food etc:

1 Human 7.6 Billion
2 Dog 900 Million
3 Cat 600 Million
4 Horse 60 Million

It's just us and our pets - none of which even number a billion - and no other species of mammal in the world even gets close to 50 million. Wups.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The only problem with another country/countries coming in and removing a dictator is if the people aren't educated or didn't pursue it themselves, it just leaves the place wide open for someone similar or worse to step into those dictators shoes. Similar to womens rights I think, alot of women in countries where they're treated as second class citizens are so brain washed all through their lives, I don't think just steam rolling in with change wouldn't be effective. They would need to want and fight for it themselves (with support of other countries of course if they wanted it and reached out for it)

I don't mean replacing one dictatorial regime with another. I'd just like to see the UN able to depose dictators by force if necessary, and then aid the country to rebuild. If someone doesn't intervene then some countries will be populated by the hungry and oppressed forever. We know who the worst presidents/whatever they call themselves are. It's probably a forlorn hope to think that one day decent people might get together to oust them.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

1 billion is sustainable at subsistence levels, if we're talking about every person being able to live in the land of milk 'n' honey it would have to be a lot less.

Here's a scary list:

1 Squirrel Unknown
2 Bat Unknown
3 Mice Unknown
4 Rat Unknown
5 Human 7.6 Billion
6 Cow 1.5 Billion
7 Sheep 1.1 Billion
8 Pig 1 Billion
9 Dog 900 Million
10 Goat 860 Million
11 Rabbit 709 Million
12 Cat 600 Million
13 Water Buffalo 175 Million
14 Horse 60 Million


Take out the rodents:


1 Human 7.6 Billion
2 Cow 1.5 Billion
3 Sheep 1.1 Billion
4 Pig 1 Billion
5 Dog 900 Million
6 Goat 860 Million
7 Cat 600 Million
8 Water Buffalo 175 Million
9 Horse 60 Million


Take out the large mammals that are only there because humans breed them for food etc:

1 Human 7.6 Billion
2 Dog 900 Million
3 Cat 600 Million
4 Horse 60 Million

It's just us and our pets - none of which even number a billion - and no other species of mammal in the world even gets close to 50 million. Wups.

Thanks for this, TS
Depressing.

[bitontheslide]

The problem is that being rich and healthy with all the comforts is no use without health. Get a painful incurable disease and you are in hell no matter what your circumstances are.

I admire humans wish to make everything better for everyone, but we are animals and as such we don't play fair. We want whats best for us and our loved ones above all others. That will never change.

Over population, under population makes no difference because basic instincts will always be the same

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The problem is that being rich and healthy with all the comforts is no use without health. Get a painful incurable disease and you are in hell no matter what your circumstances are.

I admire humans wish to make everything better for everyone, but we are animals and as such we don't play fair. We want whats best for us and our loved ones above all others. That will never change.

Over population, under population makes no difference because basic instincts will always be the same

You're probably right unless we go through some sort of mindfulness evolution

[Livia]

Pandemic.

It'll probably be measles....

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The problem is that being rich and healthy with all the comforts is no use without health. Get a painful incurable disease and you are in hell no matter what your circumstances are.

I admire humans wish to make everything better for everyone, but we are animals and as such we don't play fair. We want whats best for us and our loved ones above all others. That will never change.

Over population, under population makes no difference because basic instincts will always be the same

Well that's just it though, and the primary instincts are all based around survival. It turns out, the biggest asset in adaptability and survival is intelligence, by far. Humans got too smart, and therefore "too good at surviving" and because of the inevitable population boom we're quickly outgrowing our habitat (Earth) and have nowhere to expand to, so (unless there's a sudden leap in space travel technology and terraforming) we'll use up everything that this one has to offer for as long as is possible and then simply die off.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You're probably right unless we go through some sort of mindfulness evolution

i saw an article recently where they showed that dogs have been forced bred favouring those that can control their eye muscles to look cute to humans .... we need the same sort of thing to weed out the heartless bastards from the population

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i saw an article recently where they showed that dogs have been forced bred favouring those that can control their eye muscles to look cute to humans .... we need the same sort of thing to weed out the heartless bastards from the population

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Well that's just it though, and the primary instincts are all based around survival. It turns out, the biggest asset in adaptability and survival is intelligence, by far. Humans got too smart, and therefore "too good at surviving" and because of the inevitable population boom we're quickly outgrowing our habitat (Earth) and have nowhere to expand to, so (unless there's a sudden leap in space travel technology and terraforming) we'll use up everything that this one has to offer for as long as is possible and then simply die off.

We are victims of our own success.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i saw an article recently where they showed that dogs have been forced bred favouring those that can control their eye muscles to look cute to humans .... we need the same sort of thing to weed out the heartless bastards from the population

I'd be happy to chip in for that particular research.