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Quand il pleut, il pleut
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But my point still stands. The money used in the 'western world' contributes to supporting LGBT people through charity and accommodation for people who have been disowned. You can argue some.of the money spent could be used elsewhere, but not 'very much', surely?
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I know, it’s not like the straight people of the world get their moment in the spotlight for putting up with all the murder, hatred and general segregation they have to put up with because of who they fall in love with is it? So unfair.
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Oh i agree, i've had read stories of teens who have been disowned by parents, family members for being gay (mostly due to religious beliefs) so i'm all for charities helping those who are struggling. However, when i say 'resources' im more referring to the thousands of people marching through the streets of London, Brighton etc celebrating their sexuality. On the whole people in the UK are perfectly fine with another's sexual orientation, prejudice does and will always exist to a certain extent, that's a fact of life unfortunately i just wouldn't waste my time on people who don't accept me for who i am. However, the middle east is a different story altogether and that's where gay rights should be fought for, that's where the thousands should go and show it's 'ok to be gay'. People are treated horrendously in certain countries due to sexual orientation.
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People who see someone celebrating who they are or celebrating how far their kind has come as them 'throwing it in their faces' often don't realise that it isn't about them and do everything they can to make it about them.
If someone sees Pride as an attack on themselves then they are the ones with the issue, if you have a problem with gay representation, then look the other way. No one is forcing you to participate and no one is forcing you to oppose it and it will happen regardless of your views because the LGBT are becoming more accepted and mainstream every day and people who dislike that have just got to get over their bigotry. Let those of us who this world has often opposed our very existence have our month and be grateful you don't have to fight the battles we have for equal rights. |
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Actually there are plenty of straight people who have been put through hell because of who they've fallen in love with. Social class, race, education, religion etc...
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It is laughable when the "norm" is heterosexual that you feature a few homosexuals to balance it out or a couple of lesbians in an advert and it's "shoving it down our throats" or "overdoing it".
Read your own posts for why some gay people might feel the need to speak a little louder about who they are. They're constantly made to feel like they have to keep it hidden or just not mention it. |
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I don't care if people are gay or not, i see people as PEOPLE. Isn't that what equal rights is all about? That we are ALL equal? Isn't this what the fight is all about? If so then it's working right? |
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This is FUN!!
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equality is about everyone being treated the same way
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I think money will always be an issue. Would the billion of dollars spent on the Lord of the Rings TV series be better spent elsewhere? Almost most definitely. And while it can be argued Pride (if that is what you're referring to) could be better spent elsewhere and is, in some cases, not what it set out to be, Pride does increase awareness and celebrates the LGBT community - it is not necessarily money down the drain. I do, however, agree for a push for more activism in the Middle East, and more money should be invested in it |
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But is equality not recognising differences and accepting them? I understand the sentiment, but can we truly see a disabled person and an able person as equal? Would equality not be accommodating to people's differences so that they are included, I.e. making a job more suitable for a disabled person?
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We are not equal and we shouldn't be silent just because you feel attacked by more representation then we had before. What you are arguing for is essentially silencing us under a flag of false equality. Straight couples are not attacked on buses for being straight, they aren't killed across the world for being straight and they haven't had to fight for basic rights nor do they have to worry about being attacked and/or killed if they hold their partner's hand in public or show any kind of affection that could 'give them away'. Your view minimizes the battles LGBT fought to get what we have now, it minimizes a history of blood and sacrifice and it minimises what we have suffered to get to this point. |
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Swan, I appreciate your sentiment but your original post seems to focus more on the fact people are proud of their identity and are open about it
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I honesty thought the whole 'movement' was to not judge or to be judged, yet you are judging me for my opinion. If a person kicks a dog, to me they are a piece of sh*t, a bad human being, i wouldn't ask if they were gay or not it wouldn't matter, they're still a piece of sh*t to me. It's almost like if someone is not thinking the way you think they should you'll go in for the attack, it's worrying ironic. I am not attacking you for being gay, quite the opposite actually. |
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But you clearly DO care about people's sexuality if you feel gay people are "throwing it in your face" by simply being out and proud.
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Are you not judging people for choosing to use their identity?
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"I don't like labels. I see a man, not a sexuality."
This statement should mean you treat everyone the same regardless of sexuality. But given your other posts what it actually means is you'd rather gay people don't tell you they're gay or at least make it known in their actions (idk like holding hands with their partner). It is NOT the same thing and you getting defensive about it will not change the homophobia in your posts in this thread. |
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So a sexuality is an identity now?
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people only have to make it clear they're gay because heterosexuality is assumed
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