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Old 05-07-2019, 01:36 PM #26
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There you have it then...the people who can't play the higher stakes in shop have turned to online gaming as it still has the higher max stake.
Exactly.
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Old 05-07-2019, 02:27 PM #27
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Shops are closing all the time because more are going online
Heavy-hitters can't / won't bet online because you can't gamble online anonymously. Is the short answer. Men in suits betting £500+ per punt don't want their name on it and they never will, basically. As for the "everyday customer", you'll generally find that these days in-shop customers ALSO have online accounts and simply use both. As Marsh says, the "damage" from online gambling was done 5+ years ago and has stabilized.

Not to be blunt Michael but you're basing your assumptions on pure guesswork whereas up until a couple of months ago I had full access to the actual figures of 30+ shops going back years. Shop trading dropped approx 25% when the "big push for online" happened , years ago, and it stabilised within a year. The FOBT "boom" happened AFTER online became big. The reason is as above; the heavy betters like to gamble anonymously... they don't want bookmakers having access to their name, address and other contact details. I've had multiple instances of the Gambling Commission asking for a customer to be restricted until their identity / proof of income can be confirmed (for money laundering / proceeds of crime compliance); as soon as you ask them for anything more than a first name you won't see them again for dust. That doesn't mean they're doing anything dodgy. It just means that they know they have a multiple-thousand-pound-a-month habit that could ruin their life if it got out. Those are the people that the bookmakers REALLY, REALLY WANT betting with them, and they're the people who will never have an online account or even a loyalty card.

A final tidbit to be considered by the gamblers out there:

If you start winning consistently and making a profit you'll be actively monitored (whether that's online or not). If your monitored customer data shows that you consistently make profit over the long term you'll be banned. You'll be marked as a "Red Alert" customer and have your bets restricted to the point that they become worthless. Simple as that. You literally cannot win.... they won't let you.
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Sure in abut 800 years
2 - 5 years my friend. I'll bump this post when it happens .
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