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Old 18-07-2019, 10:40 PM #76
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What's with the weird focus on slavery on p2/3? like girl slavery is not the only atrocity on white supremacy's resume...
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I've never seen a black person whiten up their skin for a costume (as a white person) outside of 90s/00s comedy sketches
A long time after bob marley died....
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Did you just I-
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A long time after bob marley died....
wth is going on?
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I'm all for debating but I don't see how this could go any further than, 'blackface is bad'? Blackface is racist, irregardless of whether the intent is racist. (this was my initial thought on the subject - after writing a response I've came to the conclusion that you can't truly have good intentions when it comes to blackface)

I think a good example which, while is still hypothetical (as its fiction), illustrates the point I think parm is trying to get at is last season in Ackley Bridge. After a Pakistani girl bleached her skin to be 'white' (under the impression she's ugly because of her skin colour), her best friend darkens her skin and goes to school with her in an act trying to say, "brown is beautiful! Be comfortable in your own skin!" and practically all the Pakistani students were upset by her actions irregardless of her intentions. And that's because blackface as a whole is offensive. A person can claim they've darkened their skin to appreciate black people, but even if that were true, there's so much racism and history behind blackface it's disrespectful and ignorant to do blackface knowing the implications. Are people really appreciating Bob Marley by painting their face black knowing the history of it? Or are they being disrespectful, knowing full well the intent is obsolete and outweighed by a history that simply cannot (and shouldn't) be ignored? Would celebrating black people not include recognising blackface as racist and bad and respecting that, while expressing your love in an inoffensive way? I started this post trying to see an argument for which "blackface is racist irregardless of whether the intention is good" but, can people really have good intentions with blackface given how ignorant and offensive it is to do it in the first place?

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I dont believe parmnion is ignorant.
You know very well what you're doing with this thread, am I right parmnion?
It's about pissing off the "lefties" isnt it?
Just having fun bantering about racism huh
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Haven't you said though Parm, that your own black friend has said he would find it offensive so why keep labouring the point in here? Whether a racist intent or not, blackface is not acceptable now or ever will be again
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I'm all for debating but I don't see how this could go any further than, 'blackface is bad'? Blackface is racist, irregardless of whether the intent is racist. (this was my initial thought on the subject - after writing a response I've came to the conclusion that you can't truly have good intentions when it comes to blackface)

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History is being wiped out all over the place Ant. Of course I have to mention the lgbt community here...so there I have...


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Haven't you said though Parm, that your own black friend has said he would find it offensive so why keep labouring the point in here? Whether a racist intent or not, blackface is not acceptable now or ever will be again
I argued my point basically saying what I'm saying here to bobby, and that is why he is still my friend. He seen my point and agreed...but he would still kick me out his party.
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History is being wiped out all over the place Ant. Of course I have to mention the lgbt community here...so there I have...


It's about time in my opinion another dark part of the human races history should be forgotten and people should be allowed to be what they want..


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Well that's very inclusive of you to say and extremely exclusie of you to imagine.
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I think it's done with ignorance rather than racism a vast majority of the time tbh. Like I had noooooo idea about the history of blackface until BBUS19 (never heard/saw a thing about it being used to mock black people etc.). I also never thought about it being considered offensive for someone to act as another race with face paint. I had seen it done for both blacks and whites in comedy/music/skits of those sorts in the past and it just never came across my mind that way. I've never done it anyway, I don't do face paint in general, but after finding out the history/origins of blackface and also just seeing how it could be a sensitive area for blacks that have been mocked/judged/discriminated against for their skin color, I wouldn't second guess blackface being something that shouldn't be done. I'd say most do it without knowing the history and don't actually intend to offend or make fun of another race at all, it's just a form of imitation for fun usually... but regardless of context, once people know how it can come across they should just respect that and not do it period.

And snake-themed face paint is fine tho /Paul
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I don't remember much being said about this at the time.
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What about if someone shoved a bob marley mask on..would that be OK?
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what about Bo Selecta??


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Yeah, this thread has definitely run its course when it becomes 'but what about' over and over, basically asking how to get around something thats widely deemed racist? Or thats how it appears. Was questionable to start with IMO but left it.but now..decided its gone far enough. Another staff member may reopen it if asked and given an actual reason to..but I won't. Nor will I be replying to PMs about it, as I have learnt my lesson with that. Decision is final. From me anyway.
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I agree with Vicky.
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