[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It makes me uneasy that charges were brought against her and I'll probably feel the same way until they reveal what they actually have on her.

The only thing that would make me change my mind would be if she'd had some sort of disagreement with the group and it was actually proven that none of them had been anywhere near her. The fact that THREE of them have admitted to sexual contact with her off their own back is enough for me to say that - at absolute most - the whole thing should just be dropped and she should be allowed to come home.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That creates a reasonable grey area in an apparently-at-the-time one on one sexual encounter between a very drunk girl and a very drunk guy.

Trying to make it stretch to a group of pals tag-teaming one girl and filming it is a stretch. Actually it's not just "a stretch", it's bloody grim.

how do you know anything about what happened?


All we know so far is that the girl had sex with 3 of the lads - we dont know if this was over a night ir a week, together or what. We also know that she was angry at getting kicked out of their room and she claims someone filmed her having sex and due to that she made up a rape claim.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

People can go there specifically to get drunk and shag about if they want, still doesnt mean they cannot be raped tbh. This convo, as per usual on rape threads, is making me feel a bit uncomfortable in all honesty

there was no rape, she made up up because she was angry

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

People can go there specifically to get drunk and shag about if they want, still doesnt mean they cannot be raped tbh. This convo, as per usual on rape threads, is making me feel a bit uncomfortable in all honesty

i think people are missing the point, what i am saying is with drunken people in those circumstances it becomes more difficult to prove something one way or another. Of course someone could still be raped, and thats very wrong, but proving something is much more difficult and the investigation will more than likely go back over all the people involved behaviour in the days running up to what happened

[Denver]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

there was no rape, she made up up because she was angry

And you know all of this because?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

there was no rape, she made up up because she was angry

LT: "No one knows anything about anything that has ever happened in any situation. Except me, here is what happened."

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

And you know all of this because?

it stated in a NY Post article I just read (and one from the Israeli Times)

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

LT: "No one knows anything about anything that has ever happened in any situation. Except me, here is what happened."

The information is quickly gathered from the MSM news articles onine, it takes about 2 minutes to gather the available evidence

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The information is quickly gathered from the MSM news articles onine, it takes about 2 minutes to gather the available evidence

You believe that information gathered from MSM articles is "evidence"? Well this is all starting to make more sense now. I feel like one of the many enigmas of your character has just clicked into place, LT.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

it stated in a NY Post article I just read (and one from the Israeli Times)

NY Post

i saw an article about this in the NY Times, not Post

[Mystic Mock]

If 12 men had sex with her then it does start to look more like a rape case imo, as even the most sexual person in the world wouldn't want to probably have sex with 12 other people at the same time.

I know that the evidence hasn't really been clear yet on if she had sex with 12 of them, but if it is the case then I am strongly leaning towards her telling the truth about the rape.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You believe that information gathered from MSM articles is "evidence"? Well this is all starting to make more sense now. I feel like one of the many enigmas of your character has just clicked into place, LT.

I am relating what information has been published by newspapers, you were making stuff up

big difference

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

If 12 men had sex with her then it does start to look more like a rape case imo, as even the most sexual person in the world wouldn't want to probably have sex with 12 other people at the same time.

I know that the evidence hasn't really been clear yet on if she had sex with 12 of them, but if it is the case then I am strongly leaning towards her telling the truth about the rape.

mock did you read the thread?


she had consensual sex with 3 (and we dont know over how many hours or days)

she made up the rape allegation as she was cross with one or 3 of them and will be now be prosecuted

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

mock did you read the thread?


she had consensual sex with 3 (and we dont know over how many hours or days)

she made up the rape allegation as she was cross with one or 3 of them and will be now be prosecuted

That is a truly bizarre way to lie about getting raped though.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah I do agree with TSs points on this one Livia and my opinion on it is what I posted a few posts back on consent and especially consent to do with drunk girls and multiple men. What may or may not stand up in court is not what I was arguing, just my personal opinion from a moral stand point I suppose

Yeah, I understand that.

I also understand that girls have to take responsibility for their own safety. I am not victim blaming, I'm merely saying if you're putting your safety into the hands of a number of drunk lads, then you're taking your own safety very lightly.

Anyhoo, I'm off this thread, and any thread where "hashtag feminism" is allowed to stand as an insult.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yeah, I understand that.

I also understand that girls have to take responsibility for their own safety. I am not victim blaming, I'm merely saying if you're putting your safety into the hands of a number of drunk lads, then you're taking your own safety very lightly.

Anyhoo, I'm off this thread, and any thread where "hashtag feminism" is allowed to stand as an insult.

Yeah take that hashtag away immediately because looking at that post nothing about it says anything remotely feminist. And as much as you say it isn't ..it is victim blaming.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

there was no rape, she made up up because she was angry

So you keep saying..

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i think people are missing the point, what i am saying is with drunken people in those circumstances it becomes more difficult to prove something one way or another. Of course someone could still be raped, and thats very wrong, but proving something is much more difficult and the investigation will more than likely go back over all the people involved behaviour in the days running up to what happened

Well yeah, its harder to prove if people are drunk. Tbh, its hard to prove regardless I think.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

So you keep saying..

i am reporting the information that has been given to the media about the case - its online for all to see.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

People can go there specifically to get drunk and shag about if they want, still doesnt mean they cannot be raped tbh. This convo, as per usual on rape threads, is making me feel a bit uncomfortable in all honesty

Same to be honest.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I am relating what information has been published by newspapers, you were making stuff up

big difference

What did I "make up"?

[Nicky91]

i stand with that girl, because i believe in ''Innocent until proven guilty''

only if there is enough strong evidence which backs up that she had been lying i would believe it, and i've been reading on many news sites about this, and i cannot read that there is much evidence


also vile dailymail trolls again wanting to know her name like why, do they want to do something to her or her family

[SherzyK]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i am reporting the information that has been given to the media about the case - its online for all to see.

I think you’ve been reading into things a bit too much, don’t you think?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

What did I "make up"?

iv just read it back TS and its my error, i read what you posted in the wrong manner. My apologies

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

People can go there specifically to get drunk and shag about if they want, still doesnt mean they cannot be raped tbh. This convo, as per usual on rape threads, is making me feel a bit uncomfortable in all honesty

Totally agree, the direction this thread has went is really worrying. Especially these out of touch opinions generalising everyone going to these destinations for sex, which me and my group most certainly did not.

[sleleen]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Totally agree, the direction this thread has went is really worrying. Especially these out of touch opinions generalising everyone going to these destinations for sex, which me and my group most certainly did not.