[parmnion]

Sexiest...
Pm in history.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Her entire legacy will be defined as one big humiliation after another.

Windrush scandal
Grenfell handling
Got into bed with DUP, paid them off
A faction of own party tried to oust her then she pandered to them with brexit
Police cuts / knife crime pressure
55 minister resignations
Utter failure at public speeches

Just how instrumental was this inept woman in all that?

Taking into account she was surrounded by the vultures who ran away from the carcass then, perhaps to let it nourish itself for a final feast once it's flesh has fattened.

[Kizzy]

Thatcher without a shadow of a doubt, she set about the managed decline of every town and city outside London.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Thatcher without a shadow of a doubt, she set about the managed decline of every town and city outside London.

Indeed. Thatcher oversaw the planting of the neoliberal seeds that are now 3 decades later really starting to fruit in spectacular style.

[Kizzy]

When do you think they'll stop putting up statues of her in the vain hope we won't notice that her policies have systematically rotted the fabric of society, manufacturing and industry in the UK?
She was an evil twisted woman who should go down as a western tyrant the impact she had for post war Britain.

[Mystic Mock]

No one is worse than David Cameron in my eyes.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

No one is worse than David Cameron in my eyes.

I had had high hopes for Cameron and the coalition at first.
Then came the NHS reorganisation and degrading, humiliating worse testing of the sick and disabled.

He did however abandon his duty almost to deal with the referendum result.
So close a result 3.8%, he may have turned that round.

He was in my view only marginally better than May.

Now, hands up, I have disliked May since I came across her in politics.
Bitontheslide and I don't agree much, however he has summed all up as to her perfectly.
I think history will, to this point, record her as the worst ever to now.
You could rarely rely on a word she says.
There was to be no election she repeatedly said,then held one and lost her majority after only 2 years in to the term.

Her even more cruel and heartless discrimination against the sick and disabled, in any decent society was disgraceful.

She was too uncompromising and in my view her judgements of Ministers the worst in politics.
She's lost fair Ministers and kept, I'm sorry for this, an idiot in Chris Grayling in Cabinet through her premiership.
I see not a single positive to her but then I've been against her from me being interested in politics.

This one moving in now, could do a lot worse.
However that has yet to unfold.
If he bings back to Cabinet the people who had to quit being under a very grey cloud on their time as Ministers.
Like Patel or the truly extreme Esther McVey, then that will indicate how hardline and still heartless, his government will be.

Politics is in an almighty mess.
I hope there's no election imminent.
A hung Parliament with a number of the hateful Brexit party in it.
Would be I think a nightmare.


I wish Labour would look at supporting PR in elections, make every vote more valid and count.
Removing extremes from government for good likely.

That will never come from the Conservative party.
Never from May or Johnson.
It could be a real vote winner for the official opposition however.

So overall, I could agree Cameron was near as bad but I'm glad to see this endlessly deceitful politician, Theresa May, out at last.
For me, she should never have been a Minister ever, never mind PM.

Admittedly I'm not an unbiased view on her its fair to say..
I've never liked the woman.

[Nicky91]

i hear no one about Thatcher, who i did read was quite a controversial PM, divided a nation back in her day

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

i hear no one about Thatcher, who i did read was quite a controversial PM, divided a nation back in her day

Thatcher was probably the most divisive PM we ever had. People either loved or loathed her, there was very little in between. However, she was the first female PM and had balls....she made decisions and didn't pussy foot about

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Thatcher was probably the most divisive PM we ever had. People either loved or loathed her, there was very little in between. However, she was the first female PM and had balls....she made decisions and didn't pussy foot about

I have to say and I was nowhere near being thought of never mind born when Thatcher was PM.

However I think she had to bring success to a failing Nation full of extremes at the time too.
The Unions had even helped bring down their own Labour government in an election year too.

I rate her privatisation policies as disastrous.

She was however a strong advocate and supporter of the EU single market.

She never attacked and humiliated the sick and disabled like the last 2 PMs have done.

However, she looked the statesperson and did represent strength.

In comparison to May she's many miles ahead of her as a competent and strong Prime Minister.
In my view anyway.

May was a disaster from day one, following on from being an awful Home secretary.
Where she even infuriated the Police force.

[bitontheslide]

Thatcher had the balls to do things that others refused to do, she was also blessed with an amazing array of talented people in her cabinet. Thatcher was instrumental in forcing the end of the cold war and the liberation of europe. The problem with Thatcher was that she didn't know when to stop, she took things too far and pushed the balance of workers versus employers in the wrong direction. She moved from listening to her cabinet to only trusting her own judgement, and that's when it all fell apart.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Thatcher had the balls to do things that others refused to do, she was also blessed with an amazing array of talented people in her cabinet. Thatcher was instrumental in forcing the end of the cold war and the liberation of europe. The problem with Thatcher was that she didn't know when to stop, she took things too far and pushed the balance of workers versus employers in the wrong direction. She moved from listening to her cabinet to only trusting her own judgement, and that's when it all fell apart.

That's a strong post.
I agree with it all.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Thatcher had the balls to do things that others refused to do, she was also blessed with an amazing array of talented people in her cabinet. Thatcher was instrumental in forcing the end of the cold war and the liberation of europe. The problem with Thatcher was that she didn't know when to stop, she took things too far and pushed the balance of workers versus employers in the wrong direction. She moved from listening to her cabinet to only trusting her own judgement, and that's when it all fell apart.

Thatcher would have sorted Brexit, she took no **** off anyone

[joeysteele]

Thatcher would never have needed to deliver brexit.
She never believed in referenda which she saw as a failure of government.

Neither would she have acted on a referendum result of only a 3.8% majority.
As she dismissed when coming into power in 1979, the narrow result in favour of devolution, in the Scottish devolution referendum implemented by Labour.
She rejected acting on it and didn't accept the result.

She also I think would have got reforms in the EU, however she was a supporter and extremely strong advocate of the EU single market in any event.

[Kizzy]

She made decisions that had a multi generational impact, I don't understand the hero worship of these pig headed leaders. She surrounded herself with yes men and bully boys...and saville.

[Livia]

Which PM was it who took us to war on a lie? Who laid on the line the lives and safety of British troops? And after that bit of deceit, became a Middle East peace envoy. It's like a sick joke... Blair was the worst PM we've ever had.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Which PM was it who took us to war on a lie? Who laid on the line the lives and safety of British troops? And after that bit of deceit, became a Middle East peace envoy. It's like a sick joke... Blair was the worst PM we've ever had.

Labour PM and traitor to the UK ( See the pattern here with Commie Cobyn ?) Blair ,he has thousands of young soldiers blood on his hands

[Livia]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Labour PM and traitor to the UK ( See the pattern here with Commie Cobyn ?) Blair ,he has thousands of young soldiers blood on his hands

He does. How he can hold up his head is beyond me.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Livia

Which PM was it who took us to war on a lie? Who laid on the line the lives and safety of British troops? And after that bit of deceit, became a Middle East peace envoy. It's like a sick joke... Blair was the worst PM we've ever had.

That's a point yeah. There's a difference between "most bad" and "least good"

You could argue that May was the latter, but she certainly wasn't the former.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

That's a point yeah. There's a difference between "most bad" and "least good"

You could argue that May was the latter, but she certainly wasn't the former.

Even in recent history I think it could be argued that Thatcher, Blair, Brown AND Cameron have all been worse than May in many ways. May is sort of unique in having been more or less a "single issue" PM - her entire time has been taken up by Brexit and everything else has sort of been sidelined, even some fairly major things.

If the vote was "most ineffective PM" on the other hand... it's hard to argue that it isn't May. She's mostly not managed to do anything at all, and the few things she's managed to act on have gone horribly for her as well as everyone else.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

He does. How he can hold up his head is beyond me.

How does he sleep at night ?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

How does he sleep at night ?

This is what happens when a british PM gets in with an idiot US president.

Let's see what the blond clown and the orange moron cook up together

[Kizzy]

Blair is as bad I admit that.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

This is what happens when a british PM gets in with an idiot US president.

Let's see what the blond clown and the orange moron cook up together

Pretty much, with our dependency on the US all but assured come October, we'll likely be marched into a war with Iran for the purpose of keeping Trump in office.

Blair was terrible but I do hope that the people who rubbish him for the reasons they do (Fair as they are) will do the same if Johnson repeats the same mistakes in leading us into another war on a lie. Hopefully they won't just play partisan and ignore such a thing just because Boris is politically alligned with them.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Blair is as bad I admit that.

"As bad" ... How are they comparably bad?