[Livia]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Walls work.

The border fence in Israel cut illegal immigration by 99%, Hungary found erecting a border wall cut illegal immigration by a similar %, and Bulgaria's border wall saw illegals decrease seven-fold.


They're still not concentration camps

Agree with all of this 100%.

[LeatherTrumpet]

and just occassionaly, security "experts" get things wrong..

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and just occassionaly, security "experts" get things wrong..

Yes... 'ex' as in has-been, 'spert' as in a drip under pressure.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yes... 'ex' as in has-been, 'spert' as in a drip under pressure.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and just occassionaly, security "experts" get things wrong..

The arrogance of tossing aside widespread expert opinions because they don't suit your agenda.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Walls work.

The border fence in Israel cut illegal immigration by 99%, Hungary found erecting a border wall cut illegal immigration by a similar %, and Bulgaria's border wall saw illegals decrease seven-fold.


They're still not concentration camps

Again, you speak out more against the term 'concentration camp' then you ever have of the cruelty that goes on within them. Says it all really.

Your stats also operate under the assumption that everyone in these concentration camps are illegal immigrants, they are not always. People seeking legal migration or asylum are also placed in these camps, as are latin people that ICE suspects of being illegal based purely on their race.

There's also vital difference between those examples you've listed and the US, the mere size of the borders. A wall of brick or mortar will never be effective because the US/Mexico border is too big to man a wall properly. There was a republican Governer, I believe, I ccan't recall his name but he completely shat on the idea of the wall because it wouldn't do anything unless it was manned and doing so would be impossible. He instead offered up the idea of a digital wall that would be cheaper and more effective at identifying smugglers and illegal immigrants.

But then again, focusing on illegal immigrants doesn't really reflect the full image of who is incarcerated at these concentration camps. A wall won't stop the US from flouting the Flores Agreement and detaining immigrants who are trying to seek asylum or start a life in the US legally. The illegal reasoning is just an excuse to dehumanise the people whose human rights are being eroded.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

They're still not concentration camps

People know that, that's why they use the term even though it's wrong. And they accuse you of reacting more to the word than the actual problem. Diversionary tactics of the most basic kind.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

People know that, that's why they use the term even though it's wrong. And they accuse you of reacting more to the word than the actual problem. Diversionary tactics of the most basic kind.

The lack of awareness is ridiculous, truly laughable.

So focusing on a name and screeching 'It's not a concentration camp!' instead of the abuse that goes on within isn't a diversionary tactic in your blinkered view but pointing out that focusing on the name instead of the abuses is a diversionary tactic?

What the **** am I creating a diversion about exactly? Explain it to me. I'm highllighting the abuse in these camps after all, do you think human rights abuse is a diversion and the real issue is what we call the camps that enable these abuses? Because if you do... I don't need to say a godamn thing because your words speak for themselves.

Also, it's so obvious you're reading my posts given how pointed your post was so be mature and actually respond for once instead of pretending you are actually ignoring anyone.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The arrogance of tossing aside widespread expert opinions because they don't suit your agenda.

you have not provided any just alluded to it. expert security opinion led us into a war in Iraq

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

you have not provided any just alluded to it. expert security opinion led us into a war in Iraq

Google it!! Do your own research to back up everything you're told!!

Originally Posted by Dezzy

What the **** am I creating a diversion about exactly? Explain it to me. I'm highllighting the abuse in these camps after all

I don't think you've ever actually described the abuse which happens in the facilities? Help us understand why you think they're concentration camps?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Walls work.

The border fence in Israel cut illegal immigration by 99%, Hungary found erecting a border wall cut illegal immigration by a similar %, and Bulgaria's border wall saw illegals decrease seven-fold.

Yeah. We'll see.

They don't even have enough money to build any form of substantial barrier across the entire border so good luck with that little fantasy.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Google it!! Do your own research to back up everything you're told!!

Why not? People have to do their own research and provide their own sources every time LT creates a thread.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

People know that, that's why they use the term even though it's wrong. And they accuse you of reacting more to the word than the actual problem. Diversionary tactics of the most basic kind.

Almost as diversionary as this...

Originally Posted by Livia

Yes... 'ex' as in has-been, 'spert' as in a drip under pressure.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Almost as diversionary as this...

Oh come on... that was funny! I'm going to keep on posting it till you laugh....

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

There's also vital difference between those examples you've listed and the US, the mere size of the borders. A wall of brick or mortar will never be effective because the US/Mexico border is too big to man a wall properly. There was a republican Governer, I believe, I ccan't recall his name but he completely shat on the idea of the wall because it wouldn't do anything unless it was manned and doing so would be impossible. He instead offered up the idea of a digital wall that would be cheaper and more effective at identifying smugglers and illegal immigrants.

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yeah. We'll see.

They don't even have enough money to build any form of substantial barrier across the entire border so good luck with that little fantasy.

It doesn't necessarily need to stretch across the entire border, but if it blocks off the main routes, it should be effective enough. Maybe it could be electrified or have some kind of barbed wire and anti-climb paint.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Oh come on... that was funny! I'm going to keep on posting it till you laugh....

Well tbf, that's not the point. You can't lambast a FM for diverting from a point when you're doing it yourself madam.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

It doesn't necessarily need to stretch across the entire border, but if it blocks off the main routes, it should be effective enough. Maybe it could be electrified or have some kind of barbed wire and anti-climb paint.

Yeah, let's electrocute them.

"The main routes" Lol. And when the main routes cease being the main routes? Is the wall on wheels?

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

It doesn't necessarily need to stretch across the entire border, but if it blocks off the main routes, it should be effective enough. Maybe it could be electrified or have some kind of barbed wire and anti-climb paint.

oh electrocute them is good suddenly


why not a sort of toll section at the wall, make money out of them if they insist on visiting the US and only make them visit on tourist passports not work visa's

i've seen on border security, with tourist visa's/passports you cannot work in that country you visit, for work you need an extra working visa for a specific number of days so they can just revoke working rights, that should stop them from living in US but still good for tourism income for US

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yeah, let's electrocute them.

Originally Posted by Nicky91

oh electrocute them is good suddenly

No they'd electrocute themselves, I don't condone forcing them to try and break in.

[bitontheslide]

the main routes for narcotics are through points of entry, so a wall makes no difference ... but there will be a nice wall with slats so it's all cool

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the main routes for narcotics are through points of entry, so a wall makes no difference ... but there will be a nice wall with slats so it's all cool

Blown down by the next hurricane and then unable to be repaired because he's blown the funds.

[parmnion]

Another trump idea that's making America great again.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Walls work.

The border fence in Israel cut illegal immigration by 99%, Hungary found erecting a border wall cut illegal immigration by a similar %, and Bulgaria's border wall saw illegals decrease seven-fold.


They're still not concentration camps

What's your source?... breitbart?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

What's your source?... breitbart?

its there in front of you Politifact?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

What's your source?... breitbart?

Once source for each stat, the underline parts are links you Boomer

[Marsh.]

I take it the Mexicans will handle the leccy bill?