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Twosugars · 03-08-2019, 03:31 PM

Right wing thugs in central london today

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Anti-fascist activists clash with Tommy Robinson supporters in London
Stand Up to Racism says rising bigotry at the top of society is emboldening the far right

Mattha Busby and Damien Gayle

Sat 3 Aug 2019 15.53

Anti-fascist counter-protesters declared Tommy Robinson supporters “can’t march unopposed” as opposing demonstrations were kept apart by police in central London on Saturday.

Singing “we want Tommy out”, hundreds of supporters of the jailed far-right activist congregated at Oxford Circus, under strict conditions imposed by the Metropolitan police, which limited the groups to specific areas and a certain time period.

However, those conditions were almost immediately broken by a number of pro-Robinson demonstrators, who moved off and marched part-way down Oxford Street before making their way down Regent Street in the direction of Piccadilly Circus chanting “oh Tommy, Tommy”.

There were chaotic scenes as Robinson’s supporters pelted a police van with missiles. Tense standoffs ensued outside the BBC headquarters when officers drew batons and formed a line to repel hundreds of pro-Robinson supporters who ran towards the counter-demonstration.

Some Robinson supporters pushed their way right up to the entrance of the BBC, until they were forced back. A can of beer was thrown into the crowd still assembled outside All Souls Church and a bottle of water towards police.

Some of Robinson’s supporters flew a flag bearing the symbol of Generation Identity, a far right pan-European group linked to racist attacks.

Earlier, a smaller group attempted to blindside police and shouted insults at anti-racist protesters from the cover of bushes, as officers stood between them.

Stand Up to Racism said rising bigotry and Islamophobia at the top of society was emboldening racists.

Carrying a large banner saying “The enemy does not arrive by boat, he arrives by limousine, no to fortress Britain”, counter-protesters from a number of anti-racist groups chanted “Nazi scum off our streets”.

“We’re opposing them wherever they go on the rampage stoking hatred,” said Lee Nielsen from Stand Up to Racism, who organised the demonstration, estimated to number about 1,000 people. “We’re saying they can’t march unopposed in London. They’re trying to whip up racism and Islamophobia. We’re going to see off Tommy Robinson.”

He said acolytes of Robinson, whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, had been emboldened by Donald Trump, Boris Johnson, and rightwing leaders across Europe

“They see someone like Johnson in No 10 talking their language, referring to Muslim women as bank robbers and letterboxes and black people as piccaninnies with watermelon smiles. He’s a nasty racist who is playing the Trump card. The far right see him and take confidence from it.”
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...porters-london

bitontheslide · 03-08-2019, 03:58 PM

and the anti-fascist activists are somehow better in this scenario how?

AnnieK · 03-08-2019, 03:59 PM

There was one of these outside salford civic centre the other week.....it was hilarious....until they started screeching at everyone walking by, swearing their heads off when loads of kids were about. The police dispersed it, after a few hours but there was nothing in the local press about it, assuming they didn't want to give him any more column inches.

Twosugars · 03-08-2019, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

and the anti-fascist activists are somehow better in this scenario how?

Yes bc fascists and anti fascists are the same

bitontheslide · 03-08-2019, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Twosugars

Yes bc fascists and anti fascists are the same

anti-fascists regularly attack the police who they regard as fascists, something you obviously werent aware of

Twosugars · 03-08-2019, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

anti-fascists regularly attack the police who they regard as fascists, something you obviously werent aware of

I wasn't aware of them attacking police on this demo...
Maybe you have access to some exclusive reports? Feel free to share

Livia · 03-08-2019, 04:53 PM

Two sets of scumbags having a punch up.

Liam- · 03-08-2019, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

Two sets of scumbags having a punch up.

I’m failing to see where it says anything about the counter protestors being violent?
All I see mentioned is the fact the pro ‘Tommy’ army got violent with the police and tried to storm the BBC, while being out of their set conditions?

Livia · 03-08-2019, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Liam-

I’m failing to see where it says anything about the counter protestors being violent?
All I see mentioned is the fact the pro ‘Tommy’ army got violent with the police and tried to storm the BBC, while being out of their set conditions?

I suppose it's because these things usually end up in a big fight, and the police are in the middle of it. People have a right to march, doesn't matter how odious they are and the anti fascists turn up to disrupt the march and a fight breaks out somewhere. The far Right should be allowed to march and to show everybody exactly who they are. I'd like to see people ignore them.

Liam- · 03-08-2019, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

I suppose it's because these things usually end up in a big fight, and the police are in the middle of it. People have a right to march, doesn't matter how odious they are and the anti fascists turn up to disrupt the march and a fight breaks out somewhere. The far Right should be allowed to march and to show everybody exactly who they are. I'd like to see people ignore them.

Right, but you’ve just said that it was two sets of scumbags having a punch up.. which in this case, is factually incorrect, it was a bunch of thugs marching for their thug leader and assaulted the police, only one set of scumbags there

LeatherTrumpet · 03-08-2019, 06:36 PM

No link

Kizzy · 03-08-2019, 06:37 PM

I've seen it all when the first page of this thread is dedicated to rewriting facts to make the fascists only 'as bad' as other protestors . But getting used to seeing Tommy and trumps supporters defended almost blindly now. It's very disturbing.

Oliver_W · 03-08-2019, 06:42 PM

Maybe the "anti"fascists should have just let them have their little march, so things wouldn't kick off.

LeatherTrumpet · 03-08-2019, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

I've seen it all when the first page of this thread is dedicated to rewriting facts to make the fascists only 'as bad' as other protestors . But getting used to seeing Tommy and trumps supporters defended almost blindly now. It's very disturbing.

Yes it's the rise in the far right and white supremacist in the UK. And fascists.

Twosugars · 03-08-2019, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Maybe the "anti"fascists should have just let them have their little march, so things wouldn't kick off.

Read the article, they attacked the police as well as broke the cordon and tried getting into the BBC.

What's the next excuse?

Oliver_W · 03-08-2019, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Twosugars

Read the article, they attacked the police as well as broke the cordon and tried getting into the BBC.

What's the next excuse?

That they're thugs? I don't actually care about them, but there's no need for the other group to kick the hornet nest.

Elliot · 03-08-2019, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I don't actually care about them

sure

Tom4784 · 03-08-2019, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Maybe the "anti"fascists should have just let them have their little march, so things wouldn't kick off.

'Maybe those people shouldn't have put their right to protest to good use and those poor inbred yobs wouldn't have had to attack the police!'

I'm so sick of entitled centrism.

Kizzy · 04-08-2019, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W

That they're thugs? I don't actually care about them, but there's no need for the other group to kick the hornet nest.

It's history repeating itself, Tommy is setting himself as the new max mosley.
Mosley was prevented from spreading fascism here and so will Tommy..

Oliver_W · 04-08-2019, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's history repeating itself, Tommy is setting himself as the new max mosley.
Mosley was prevented from spreading fascism here and so will Tommy..

Tommy's in jail, he didn't arrange that.

"Fascism is a form of radical right-wing, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy"

Tommy's just a dumb thug, he doesn't put enough thought into things to want any of that, he just feels an influx on muslims would be damaging for Western society.

Also, lol at "anti-"fascists using forced suppression of their opposition...