[JerseyWins]

I mean, as far as anti-Kemi, “problematic” behavior goes, unbiasedly Christie, Kat & Jack are/were a lot worse with that. The former two I don’t think I’ve even seen a mention of on this site. Hmm I wonder why? I’m not bashing them for it, not even the two I dislike, but just an observation on who gets attacked around here for “racism”... the “stereotypical” southern/country “douche”? Hmmmm

But y’all stay pressedt about Jackson’s innocent little comments

[DouglasS]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

I mean, as far as anti-Kemi, “problematic” behavior goes, unbiasedly Christie, Kat & Jack are/were a lot worse with that. The former two I don’t think I’ve even seen a mention of on this site. Hmm I wonder why? I’m not bashing them for it, not even the two I dislike, but just an observation on who gets attacked around here for “racism”... the “stereotypical” southern/country “douche”? Hmmmm

But y’all stay pressedt about Jackson’s innocent little comments

Exactly

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

He wasn't comparing the two just because he referred to her bleeding from the mouth like Bayleigh, he was moreso contrasting the two in his comments. They were imagining what she's like outside the show and he acknowledged she was was quiet in the house so he imagined her basically being the opposite: like Bayleigh when she's watching the show at home now. It's like a funny thing to picture... like something you wouldn't expect to see from someone who's quiet. You can assume there's racist connotations or bias or something there but it was Bayleigh's behavior being the opposite as Kemi's that was the key there. Just because their skin color is the same doesn't automatically mean anything.

The context was very clearly light-hearted (not mean-spirited, not in a negative tone, not demeaning her) regardless of what you think of it involving race anyway.

"He wasn't comparing, he was contrasting" is a particularly banal and egregious response because, again, the heart of the concern is that it was even done in the first place and that there's *still* speculation a full six weeks later about who The Real Kemi is behind closed doors. Her entire stint in the house consisted of the vast majority of the house waiting for her to blow up and snap and ~show her true colors~, and when she hasn't given them what they wanted they're still speculating and holding onto the possibility as to what she's really like on the outside. Like, no one's wondered who the real Bella is or who the real Sam is but some of them are still holding onto the hope that Kemi's secretly the angry black woman, probably as means to justify their feelings about her. Whether or not you want to call it racism, let's call a spade a spade and recognize the clear unconscious bias and stereotyping.

Originally Posted by DouglasS

I have no idea what shtick you’re on about? It’s just a baseless comparison race doesn’t matter. He was just comparing two different personality traits he was not similar they were similar?

Bayleigh was the biggest screamer / most aggressive arguer of last season (or tied with rockstar, but that still only leaves 2 houseguests to pick from last years houseguests).

He was literally just making a joke saying imagine this quiet person is actually like this loud/vocal person screaming at the Tv. No race was involved whatsoever.

Had Bayleigh been like Kaycee/Haleigh and not really got involved in arguments I would see your point

Again, the "joke" doesn't exactly land and isn't exactly benign when the punchline is essentially "Ha, just imagine if Kemi put on a front in here and is actually just as loud and angry as the black girl who was on the show last year!" If their personalities are so different, why would they need to be compared in the first place? Why was she compared to Bayleigh rather than Rockstar? Why aren't the same speculations being made about other evictees? At some point you just have to take your fingers out of your ears and acknowledge what's in front of you.

[Moniqua]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

Exactly

who said you could talk?

[RileyH]

why don't we all just stan jen vasquez instead

[brat.]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

I mean, as far as anti-Kemi, “problematic” behavior goes, unbiasedly Christie, Kat & Jack are/were a lot worse with that. The former two I don’t think I’ve even seen a mention of on this site. Hmm I wonder why? I’m not bashing them for it, not even the two I dislike, but just an observation on who gets attacked around here for “racism”... the “stereotypical” southern/country “douche”? Hmmmm

But y’all stay pressedt about Jackson’s innocent little comments

kat and christie continue tew be lower than they would be in my rankings, but that is irrelevant considering the thread was made about them still being pressed and making racist comments about kemi, when t’one who made t’comments was jackson, why would we start talking about Christie or Kat?

t’problem is YOU ignoring his comments on animal abuse, his mysoginsitc and racist comments and continuing to laugh at comments others make, this comment isn’t a one time thing being taken out of context, it’s a continuation throughout the series

“innocent little comments” such as him saying the only way to train a dog is to spit in his face? or after t’goat veto saying that brings back many frat memories which aren’t appropriate to talk about on tv? laughing at jess being called consuela? saying ‘ah wonder why david’s been to prison’ when he hasn’t? saying jessica has a train wreck of a body? constantly targeting and **** talking kemi and David?
being disgusting towards kat? there IS a reason why Jackson comparing kemi to bayleigh is wrong but if yew still can’t see it then nothing ah’m gonna say will help change your mind

[Matthew.]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

Bayleigh was the biggest screamer / most aggressive arguer of last season (or tied with rockstar, but that still only leaves 2 houseguests to pick from last years houseguests).

I am no Bayleigh fan, but this isn’t true. Bayleigh was not aggressive. Nobody was aggressive last season from what I remember. Iirc, she raised her voice like once? If that makes someone aggressive then idk anymore. I take it that means Nick and Jack are also aggressive then, seeing as Nick shouted at Christie last night, and Jack, well, less said about him the better tbqh

[Macie Lightfoot]

For the record the conseula comments were directed at Kat, not Jess, but the point at large still stands.

[brat.]

Originally Posted by Matthew.

I am no Bayleigh fan, but this isn’t true. Bayleigh was not aggressive. Nobody was aggressive last season from what I remember. Iirc, she raised her voice like once? If that makes someone aggressive then idk anymore. I take it that means Nick and Jack are also aggressive then, seeing as Nick shouted at Christie last night, and Jack, well, less said about him the better tbqh

bayleigh blew up once and that was whilst she was in ha first trimester seaux ah think ha behaviour is somewhat excused

[DouglasS]

Originally Posted by brat.

bayleigh blew up once and that was whilst she was in ha first trimester seaux ah think ha behaviour is somewhat excused

Since when was text talk allowed on the forum?

[brat.]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

Since when was text talk allowed on the forum?

[Matthew.]

Originally Posted by brat.

bayleigh blew up once and that was whilst she was in ha first trimester seaux ah think ha behaviour is somewhat excused

Exactly. Like I said, I wasn’t a fan of Bayleigh at all, but to dismiss her as “aggressive” based on one incident in which she lost her temper (and like you said, while she was pregnant) is uncalled for.

[sleleen]

Jersey am dissapointed

[RileyH]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

Since when was text talk allowed on the forum?

not this being ur comeback bc you know she's right

[sleleen]

Also can you elaborate on how Christie & Kat are worse than Jack & Jackson?

[montblanc]

Originally Posted by brat.

[DouglasS]

Originally Posted by RileyH

not this being ur comeback bc you know she's right

Right about what?
Yeah Bayleigh only had one proper blowout? I haven’t argued against that whatsoeve

All I said is there are probably only two houseguests that could be labelled very vocal when in an argument (Bayleigh/Rockstar) from last season, most people were pretty tame.

Being maybe three weeks pregnant doesn’t excuse anything? It’s not like she was 40 weeks pregnant

I don’t understand what you expect me to comeback to - no points or arguments against what I said have been posted

[Moniqua]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

Being maybe three weeks pregnant doesn’t excuse anything? It’s not like she was 40 weeks pregnant

you are a WHITE. MAN.

stop trying to speak for black people's AND/OR women's experiences when your privileged ass will never know what it feels like to walk a day in their shoes.

knob

[DouglasS]

Originally Posted by Moniqua

you are a WHITE. MAN.

stop trying to speak for black people's AND/OR women's experiences when your privileged ass will never know what it feels like to walk a day in their shoes.

knob

What for saying that behaviour shouldn’t be excused?
Just because she’s a black woman doesn’t mean bad behaviour should be excused regardless?

If you were to become a lawyer would your defence for a black man/woman had they been guilty of killing someone be that they are black and so they are entitled to do so and you’d call the judge privileged for sentencing them?

You speak no sense

[sleleen]

Em-

[JerseyWins]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

"He wasn't comparing, he was contrasting" is a particularly banal and egregious response because, again, the heart of the concern is that it was even done in the first place and that there's *still* speculation a full six weeks later about who The Real Kemi is behind closed doors. Her entire stint in the house consisted of the vast majority of the house waiting for her to blow up and snap and ~show her true colors~, and when she hasn't given them what they wanted they're still speculating and holding onto the possibility as to what she's really like on the outside. Like, no one's wondered who the real Bella is or who the real Sam is but some of them are still holding onto the hope that Kemi's secretly the angry black woman, probably as means to justify their feelings about her. Whether or not you want to call it racism, let's call a spade a spade and recognize the clear unconscious bias and stereotyping.

They've speculated and trash talked about Bella & Sam as well. People just don't care as much when that happens (and sure it possibly/probably hasn't happened as much, I don't really know but I have read more on twitter about houseguests talking about Kemi --- is that a houseguest obsession or fanbase obsession idk for sure). As for the contrast he made between Kemi's quiet personality and then imagining her like the fiery bloody-mouthed Bayleigh yelling at the TV screen, you can't just assume that to be a racial thing. It was him imagining her as the opposite to her actual personality, in a joking manner, that is what was seen for sure, and Bayleigh is a recent BBUS houseguest who had one of the craziest flip-outs in recent memory. Maybe subconsciously he/others have drawn that comparison to the latest black girl on the latest BBUS season but that's not something you can really bash --- there will often be subconscious biases & stereotyping without meaning any harm ie. the new nerdy guy often gets compared to the latest nerdy guy based on appearance alone, the new country boy (or redneck as a lot of people on here like to say) gets compared to the latest country boy, "southern belle" to latest southern belle etc. etc. the latter two are typically assumed to be racist pricks before the season even starts etc. etc.

Humans are observant and maybe sometimes wrongfully focus on some physical appearance - in this case we don't know for sure if that was the case or if Jackson was simply comparing polar opposite personalities from his season to the last season of Big Brother. Looking at context, he wasn't bashing Kemi as an Angry Black Woman, he called her quiet and playfully imagined her pulling a 180 yelling at the TV screen. Quiet people get jokingly assumed to be the opposite behind closed doors all the time usually as a joke as it was in this case as well. Racism really hasn't been seen at all from Jackson either but was assumed from as early as his Camp Comeback noms. (Maybe some other questionable behavior at times but that's arguable and besides the point of this thread)

Originally Posted by Matthew.

I am no Bayleigh fan, but this isn’t true. Bayleigh was not aggressive. Nobody was aggressive last season from what I remember. Iirc, she raised her voice like once? If that makes someone aggressive then idk anymore. I take it that means Nick and Jack are also aggressive then, seeing as Nick shouted at Christie last night, and Jack, well, less said about him the better tbqh

To be fair I think it's safe/fair to say Bayleigh, Nick, Christie & Jack are all subjectively aggressive from their respective blowup(s) and/or attitudes and/or demeanors towards people

Originally Posted by sleleen

Also can you elaborate on how Christie & Kat are worse than Jack & Jackson?

Kat was obsessed with Kemi, mocked her in her bathing suit (playfully - people probably realized that just because it wasn't Jackson lol), trash talked her all the time. Jack & Christie had so many poor things to say about Kemi (shown on the show and all). I said all 3 have been much worse than anything Jackson has said about Kemi, which is the truth. If you are oblivious to only Christie & Kat specifically of those 4 then that proves my theory on TIBB's own biases.

For the record I don't think any of Kat/Christie/Jack were really that bad either but it's just funny how Jackson gets a lot of slack here for basically nothing negative regarding Kemi from his end, especially compared to others in that house.

[JerseyWins]

Originally Posted by brat.

kat and christie continue tew be lower than they would be in my rankings, but that is irrelevant considering the thread was made about them still being pressed and making racist comments about kemi, when t’one who made t’comments was jackson, why would we start talking about Christie or Kat?

That's my point though. There are no threads on Kat & Christie and no discussion of it at all on the live feed thread, etc. When the tiniest situation comes out from Jackson, the rants and "trash" comments ensue. I'd love to defend someone like Kat but I actually never even have to because that's not TIBB's shtick to go after the female douchebro that has some "questionably problematic" behavior --- (disclaimer: it really isn't that problematic but that's probably already seen when it's a female). It's the straight white males they're after that I then feel obligated to defend over and over and over again because they're constantly not as bad as advertised on tibb ffs

To TIBB: Stop making things bigger than they are when it's a specific person just because people around here have some kind of obsessive major HATRED for the typical straight white bro.

[brat.]

jersey ah cannot tell if you are being serious right now, are you really just going to ignore all the things ah pointed out jackson has said? Sis, Nick, Bella, Kat, Christie have all said horrible things but none of them have said as much as Jack, closely followed by Jackson, so obviously there will be threads about people hew talk the most ****

this thread was made at the fact they are STILL talking about kemi in a deregotary way, and the only one who said anything bad as jackson, so obviously we will talk about that

[brat.]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

Kat was obsessed with Kemi, mocked her in her bathing suit (playfully - people probably realized that just because it wasn't Jackson lol), trash talked her all the time.

ah know you aren’t comparing that bathing suit comment to jackson saying jess has a train wreck of a body, what has david been in prison for, spitting on a dog is t’way to train him, comparing kemi to t’onleh black female houseguest last year and referring to ha moment when she was pregnant

neaux one talked about kemi as much as jack, followed by jacksoon

[brat.]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

Being maybe three weeks pregnant doesn’t excuse anything? It’s not like she was 40 weeks pregnant

well it does considering it’s basic biology?