[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I dunno..neve rthought much about it really....but no names...no story to check so atm everyone's opinion on the matter counts as much as the next persons.

C'mon, parm; let's say Kizzy was a times subscriber because she loves the Murdoch press so much, and she also provided you with a list of the 25 names, then what?

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

C'mon, parm; let's say Kizzy was a times subscriber because she loves the Murdoch press so much, and she also provided you with a list of the 25 names, then what?

Then I can spend the day researching the names, finding out about every individual...then I can decide if i was right or wrong..atm...Im right in my own head.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Then I can spend the day researching the names, finding out about every individual...then I can decide if i was right or wrong..atm...Im right in my own head.

So why do you need to research the names? Do you believe they all got together to tell lies, or that they genuinely believe they are trying to warn the country out of a sense of right or wrong.

We all know what you'll do:

Well Joe Bloggs once shared a cab with Blair, so he can't be trusted.

That Joan Bloggs once passed Gordon Brown in a corridor, so she can't be trusted.

John Doe - he marched against brexit so he's biased.

Jane Doe once wrote an article at university decrying the bullingdon club culture, so she's anti Boris.

Let me phrase things another way, what person could come forward to warn you about what was happening that would a) instantly have your trust about what they are saying? B) What would they have to say, in order to prove that you'd been lied to and duped?

[parmnion]

No names yet then.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

No names yet then.

Signatories include Lord John Kerr, the author of Article 50; Sir Nigel Sheinwald, the former permanent representative to the European Union and ambassador to the United States of America; Lord David Hannay, permanent representative to the EEC under Margaret Thatcher's government; Peter Jenkins, former UK representative to the World Trade Organisation; Dame Mariot Leslie, former permanent representative of the United Kingdom to NATO; Sir David Warren, former ambassador to Japan; and Sir Roderic Lyne, former Ambassador to the Russian Federation.

Here are 7. I'll get the rest. Any chance I can get an answer to the 2 questions I posed?

Sir Nigel Sheinwald, Permanent Representative to the European Union 2000 -2003 and Ambassador to the United States 2007 – 2012;

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard, Permanent Representative to the European Economic Community/European Union 1990 – 1995 and Ambassador to the United States 1995 – 1997;

Lord Hannay of Chiswick, Permanent Representative to the European Economic Community 1985 – 1990 and Permanent Representative to the United Nations in New York 1990 – 1995;

Sir John Grant, Permanent Representative to the European Union 2003 -2007;

Dame Mariot Leslie, Permanent Representative to NATO 2010-2014 and Ambassador to Norway 2002-2006;

Sir David Warren, Ambassador to Japan 2008 – 2012;

Peter Jenkins, UK representative to the World Trade Organisation 1996-2001 and to the International Atomic Energy Agency 2001-2006;

Michael W. Atkinson, Ambassador to Romania 1989-1992;

Ian Bond, Ambassador to Latvia 2005 – 2007;

Dame Nicola Brewer, High Commissioner to South Africa, Lesotho and Swaziland 2009-13;

David Broucher, Ambassador to the Czech Republic 1997 – 2001;

John Buck, Ambassador to Portugal, 2004-2007;

Eric Callway, HM Consul-General Frankfurt, 1997-2001;

Dr Peter Collecott, Ambassador to Brazil 2004 – 2008;

Basil Eastwood, Ambassador to Syria 1996-2000 and Ambassador to Switzerland 2001-2004;

Sir Stephen Gomersall, Ambassador to Japan 1999–2004;

Michael Hall, Deputy UK Permanent Representative to the Council of Europe 1998-2002;

Sir Roderic Lyne, UK Ambassador to Russia 2000 – 2004;

Sir David Madden, High Commissioner to Cyprus 1994-99 and Ambassador to Greece 1999-2004;

Oliver Miles, Ambassador to Greece 1993 – 1996;

Colin A Munro, Ambassador to the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe 2003-2007;

Stephen Nash, Ambassador to Latvia 1999 – 2002;

Sir John Ramsden, Ambassador to Croatia 2004–2008;

Nigel Thorpe, Ambassador to Hungary 1998 – 2003;

James Watt, Ambassador to Lebanon 2003–06, Ambassador to Jordan 2006–11, and Ambassador to Egypt 2011-2014.

[parmnion]

Thanks....best way I can answer it is a person who perhaps hadn't been lied to by the people they were talking to get the information.....which is why I needed the names to research thier character best I could and who they have been speaking to to get the info....


One more thing...unless you take back and apologise for saying I find that young boy sexy I won't ever respond to your questions again.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Thanks....best way I can answer it is a person who perhaps hadn't been lied to by the people they were talking to get the information.....which is why I needed the names to research thier character best I could and who they have been speaking to to get the info....


One more thing...unless you take back and apologise for saying I find that young boy sexy I won't ever respond to your questions again.

They worked as ambassadors, one even for Thatcher, so I'd guess they wouldn't be using specific news sources like normal people, to get their news.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

They worked as ambassadors, one even for Thatcher, so I'd guess they wouldn't be using specific news sources like normal people, to get their news.

Aye..am no ****ing stupid...


But the people they talk to have a lot to lose as well on brexit so it's daft not to think they could have been lied to .

[parmnion]

I mean..come on folks, wake up..here's one ex ambassador.


https://amp.theguardian.com/uk/2011/...ade-ambassador

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Aye..am no ****ing stupid...


But the people they talk to have a lot to lose as well on brexit so it's daft not to think they could have been lied to .

You're so consumed with the belief that you feel people are only doing this because it might stops a few parties for them (one of those people hasn't been in these circles for nearly 20 years), but you can't even see the people that provably lied to the nation, are the people with the most to gain by brexit - especially a no-deal. JRM for example, his company is hiding it's accounts in the caymans to avoid paying tax on over Ł100m, he begged a government grant of just under Ł7m to renovate his ancestral home at the same time he was voting for a bedroom tax on poor people.

Eu are in the process of legislating tax haven profits back into taxable contributions, but yet you honestly believe, rich folks missing out on the odd jolly (when they can afford them anyway) makes them more corruptible than rich guys trying to avoid paying any tax.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

So why do you need to research the names? Do you believe they all got together to tell lies, or that they genuinely believe they are trying to warn the country out of a sense of right or wrong.

We all know what you'll do:

Well Joe Bloggs once shared a cab with Blair, so he can't be trusted.

That Joan Bloggs once passed Gordon Brown in a corridor, so she can't be trusted.

John Doe - he marched against brexit so he's biased.

Jane Doe once wrote an article at university decrying the bullingdon club culture, so she's anti Boris.

Let me phrase things another way, what person could come forward to warn you about what was happening that would a) instantly have your trust about what they are saying? B) What would they have to say, in order to prove that you'd been lied to and duped?

If only the same energy was spent on researching the cons who led people to vote for brexit
Pathetic state of affairs. Some people will swallow anything if it agrees with their own prejudices.

[parmnion]

What prejudices do these people have Twosugars?


Slim...lol..

Stop personally attacking me in a different name.

[Twosugars]

Has anybody said anything? No? Good.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

What prejudices do these people have Twosugars?


Slim...lol..

Stop personally attacking me in a different name.

Genuinely have no idea what you're on about. If you genuinely believe me to be a multi, ask Cherie (who I know you trust) about that.

I didn't attack you (again). I pointed you towards facts, and you believe them to be a personal attack. Pretty much sums up how we've ended up where we are.

[Twosugars]

Japan went on record several times, TSR, saying bluntly that brexit is not in our interests

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Genuinely have no idea what you're on about. If you genuinely believe me to be a multi, ask Cherie (who I know you trust) about that.

I didn't attack you (again). I pointed you towards facts, and you believe them to be a personal attack. Pretty much sums up how we've ended up where we are.

Ok I take that back..paranoia maybe..


But you started your post saying I'm so consumed....Im not consumed by anything you described..

Jrm..yeah probably....same everywhere in my opinion...boh sides just full of corrupt wankers..that I simply have no time for..sure there will be good..but are the good, don't tell me the good don't know what's going on with the bad...but they turn a blind eye..so in my opinion are just as bad...these ambassadors...the prince Andrew types.....BY FAR THE WORST.

[Twosugars]

Imagine thinking ambassadors are like royalty
They are professional diplomats who studied and worked hard in their profession.
It's not america where trump rewards his mates with posts abroad. We have professional diplomatic corps. God knows why they bother. Like judges they will be called enemies of the people.
With trump and brexit it is to hell with experts and let the ignorant have a go.

[parmnion]

Yet Andrew was made an ambassador..who allowed that...

Who allowed the rest?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Ok I take that back..paranoia maybe..


But you started your post saying I'm so consumed....Im not consumed by anything you described..

Jrm..yeah probably....same everywhere in my opinion...boh sides just full of corrupt wankers..that I simply have no time for..sure there will be good..but are the good, don't tell me the good don't know what's going on with the bad...but they turn a blind eye..so in my opinion are just as bad...these ambassadors...the prince Andrew types.....BY FAR THE WORST.

Because I was reacting to your post where you flat out suggested that these ambassadors are doing it to avoid missing out on the odd soiree. Ambassadors are pretty much always from the Eaton set. No one goes into those jobs from conducting on busses.

All of your scepticism is purely on the side of remain though, so whilst I agree there is corruption on all sides, you're accepting it from one side but openly searching for it from the other. To me, those things don't add up. We know now that the leave side broke laws, and continue to lie to this very day.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Yet Andrew was made an ambassador..who allowed that...

Who allowed the rest?

You are confusing things
Geri Halliwell was named an ambassador too

They compare to real ambassadors as much as Mary Portas, the tsar of high street shopping, compared to the real Russian tsars

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Because I was reacting to your post where you flat out suggested that these ambassadors are doing it to avoid missing out on the odd soiree. Ambassadors are pretty much always from the Eaton set. No one goes into those jobs from conducting on busses.

All of your scepticism is purely on the side of remain though, so whilst I agree there is corruption on all sides, you're accepting it from one side but openly searching for it from the other. To me, those things don't add up. We know now that the leave side broke laws, and continue to lie to this very day.

True..but that is how I feel until I do the research of the 25 names you so kindly provided me.

I have neatly written them down on my moleskin notepad and shall research each one at my leisure to see if my own mind can be changed by my own research...but at this time..I have them all down as the prince Andrew type..all weaklings, and all definitely unsuitable to be carrying Britain's name abroad due to there penchant for having a lot of baggage to carry.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

You are confusing things
Geri Halliwell was named an ambassador too

They compare to real ambassadors as much as Mary Portas, the tsar of high street shopping, compared to the real Russian tsars

Was she named an ambassador to a country...no she wasn't.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

True..but that is how I feel until I do the research of the 25 names you so kindly provided me.

I have neatly written them down on my moleskin notepad and shall research each one at my leisure to see if my own mind can be changed by my own research...but at this time..I have them all down as the prince Andrew type..all weaklings, and all definitely unsuitable to be carrying Britain's name abroad due to there penchant for having a lot of baggage to carry.

"True, but... " is the most brexity of all the brexity things to say. Good luck with your research. I already know your findings.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

"True, but... " is the most brexity of all the brexity things to say. Good luck with your research. I already know your findings.

So do I...

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Was she named an ambassador to a country...no she wasn't.

Was prince Andrew named ambassador to a country?