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It's getting sinister.
He's acting like a dictator.

He and a good number of his present Cabinet voted against their then elected leader Mrs May.
Didn't hear her making these blackmailing ugly threats.

The man is either being advised really worryingly and in the worst way possible.
Or he's a power mad very dangerous unhinged individual.

Is this what he means, in uniting the Country.
As his example with his own Party is to politically blackmail and threaten any or all dissenting voices.

Crikey, he's heading to acting like a communist leader if he keeps this up.

Taking politics to really the lowest of the gutter now.
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It's getting sinister.
He's acting like a dictator.

He and a good number of his present Cabinet voted against their then elected leader Mrs May.
Didn't hear her making these blackmailing ugly threats.

The man is either being advised really worryingly and in the worst way possible.
Or he's a power mad very dangerous unhinged individual.

Is this what he means, in uniting the Country.
As his example with his own Party is to politically blackmail and threaten any or all dissenting voices.

Crikey, he's heading to acting like a communist leader if he keeps this up.

Taking politics to really the lowest of the gutter now.
He's just a Trump caricature.....suspending Parliament so he gets his own way, threatening to expel members if they disagree with him. The friendly buffoon act is just that, an act. Underneath, he is a scary guy who looks like he will do just about anything to get his way.

Before anyone says we will get through a No Deal Brexit, I don't doubt we will, but at what cost? How will our industries survive? How will our poor who are already struggling manage? Scary and dark times in the history of our country.
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He's just a Trump caricature.....suspending Parliament so he gets his own way, threatening to expel members if they disagree with him. The friendly buffoon act is just that, an act. Underneath, he is a scary guy who looks like he will do just about anything to get his way.

Before anyone says we will get through a No Deal Brexit, I don't doubt we will, but at what cost? How will our industries survive? How will our poor who are already struggling manage? Scary and dark times in the history of our country.
yes very dark times, and most likely those elite have already secured their companies somewhere overseas to keep them out of trouble after 31st october

it's very sad when a government, parliament do not care about a country's middle class and poor their interests, their views


Brexit could've only worked when everyone agreed to leaving the EU, now it's just a chaotic mess and that was gonna be the end result from the start
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70% of the government are against Brexit so they are going to try and stop it deal or no deal,its not rocket science to see that they don't like the way the vote went, Democracy was destroyed when the government didn't follow the democratic vote of the people,and are we saying IF the EU fell apart tomorrow we could not survive without them ? No amount of falling out or name calling will change anything, what will happen will happen and either way we will deal with it as best we can.
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this is a critical week. The course that Boris is on now could mean we never see another GE. If they are prepared to throw MP's out their party and then ignore democratic votes within the HoC, our democracy has gone.

Some may say that's alarmist, i'm not so sure now.
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70% of the government are against Brexit so they are going to try and stop it deal or no deal,its not rocket science to see that they don't like the way the vote went, Democracy was destroyed when the government didn't follow the democratic vote of the people,and are we saying IF the EU fell apart tomorrow we could not survive without them ? No amount of falling out or name calling will change anything, what will happen will happen and either way we will deal with it as best we can.

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Sounds Strict , but its the proper way to be.


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He's just a Trump caricature.....suspending Parliament so he gets his own way, threatening to expel members if they disagree with him. The friendly buffoon act is just that, an act. Underneath, he is a scary guy who looks like he will do just about anything to get his way.

Before anyone says we will get through a No Deal Brexit, I don't doubt we will, but at what cost? How will our industries survive? How will our poor who are already struggling manage? Scary and dark times in the history of our country.
Absolutely.
Yet there's those who actually support this uncertainty.

I guess to them the poor possibly don't matter.

The most powerful part of your post,( your whole post above in my view contains sound and reasoned points), the most powerful words in your post however, is the last few.

Which I wish the decent voters who can see or fear the dangers here, would take on board.
Our livelihoods, success, democracy and even the United Kingdom itself, are being risked for these extreme, hard-line right wing NO DEAL at any costs rabid supporters.

Really worrying it all is.
Also Annie, I have to commend your fearful and reasoned stance on all threads on this brexit issue.
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Sounds Strict , but its the proper way to be.


https://news.sky.com/story/tory-rebe...drawn-11800021


It isn't and should never be seen as right.

It isn't right in the Labour Party either where some constituencies are trying to force out dissenting views of sitting MPs.

It's even worse when a Prime Minister advocates such ugly political blackmailing and threatening.
It should be universal condemned and unacceptable in a parliamentary democracy.
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It isn't and should never be seen as right.

It isn't right in the Labour Party either where some constituencies are trying to force out dissenting views of sitting MPs.

It's even worse when a Prime Minister advocates such ugly political blackmailing and threatening.
It should be universal condemned and unacceptable in a parliamentary democracy.


Yes some Labour MP's
say they fear being removed.



"It's even worse when a Prime Minister advocates such ugly political blackmailing and threatening."


Yes its more Instructions
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Yes some Labour MP's
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"It's even worse when a Prime Minister advocates such ugly political blackmailing and threatening."


Yes its more Instructions
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Well your last paragraph makes the whole ugly mess even worse and more to be condemned.

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Yes from Tomorrow
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Sounds Strict , but its the proper way to be.


https://news.sky.com/story/tory-rebe...drawn-11800021
Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind arista,its a mess but only because the ministers have made it a mess, nothing worth having is easy, we should have just left then maybe we could have still done deals.
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Well your last paragraph makes the whole ugly mess even worse and more to be condemned.


Yes but the PM's Adviser
does not care about your view
he is storming ahead.
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I don't think it's just my view and I'm surprised you aren't condemning it too.

Very sad and wrong the whole attitude and mess from the PM and his disgraceful advisor/s
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If this was Corbyn that was shutting down government to silence opposition and threatening to fire people if they didn’t get in line and agree with him wholeheartedly, the people supporting this move by Boris would be having kittens, let’s keep the same energy, this is an undemocratic political move being made by a egotistical dictator in training, but no, let’s be scared of the nasty man who wants to make it easier for people to not have to rely on food banks.
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this is a critical week. The course that Boris is on now could mean we never see another GE. If they are prepared to throw MP's out their party and then ignore democratic votes within the HoC, our democracy has gone.

Some may say that's alarmist, i'm not so sure now.
I agree. The way democracy works in this country, is (supposed to be) that we vote for the MPs who best represent our wishes and they then represent those wishes at parliament. If those above them can simply say "No, do as you're told or you're out"... then that entire system is revealed to be an absolute sham. "Sure you can vote for someone who represents your views, but if those views don't align with the front line, then tough."

Then again, maybe it always was this way. A joke. It's just so very clear now.
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this is a critical week. The course that Boris is on now could mean we never see another GE. If they are prepared to throw MP's out their party and then ignore democratic votes within the HoC, our democracy has gone.

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If this was Corbyn that was shutting down government to silence opposition and threatening to fire people if they didn’t get in line and agree with him wholeheartedly, the people supporting this move by Boris would be having kittens, let’s keep the same energy, this is an undemocratic political move being made by a egotistical dictator in training, but no, let’s be scared of the nasty man who wants to make it easier for people to not have to rely on food banks.
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I agree. The way democracy works in this country, is (supposed to be) that we vote for the MPs who best represent our wishes and they then represent those wishes at parliament. If those above them can simply say "No, do as you're told or you're out"... then that entire system is revealed to be an absolute sham. "Sure you can vote for someone who represents your views, but if those views don't align with the front line, then tough."

Then again, maybe it always was this way. A joke. It's just so very clear now.
scary times, the irony is saying that the EU are dictators, if the government go down this track of ousting anyone with a dissenting voice, then we will really be living in a dictatorship

are leavers really happy with that? you can elect an MP to represent your wishes but if they don't tally with the PMs view they are out?

I know you are probably happy with that now because it suits you, but what about when it comes to an issue that it doesn't suit, will you be equally happy then?
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scary times, the irony is saying that the EU are dictators, if the government go down this track of ousting anyone with a dissenting voice, then we will really be living in a dictatorship

are leavers really happy with that? you can elect an MP to represent your wishes but if they don't tally with the PMs view they are out?

I know you are probably happy with that now because it suits you, but what about when it comes to an issue that it doesn't suit, will you be equally happy then?
Really happy that my daughter decided against going to NI for University, I would be terrified about her being up there now, things aren't going to go well
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If this was Corbyn that was shutting down government to silence opposition and threatening to fire people if they didn’t get in line and agree with him wholeheartedly, the people supporting this move by Boris would be having kittens, let’s keep the same energy, this is an undemocratic political move being made by a egotistical dictator in training, but no, let’s be scared of the nasty man who wants to make it easier for people to not have to rely on food banks.

Strong points.

It's indefensible in my view completely.
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Can anyone tell me where Caroline Lucas and Jo Swinston the leaders of the so called remain parties are? not heard a peep out of either of them

apart from Caroline's doomed all female cross party anti Brexit group
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He's just a Trump caricature.....suspending Parliament so he gets his own way, threatening to expel members if they disagree with him. The friendly buffoon act is just that, an act. Underneath, he is a scary guy who looks like he will do just about anything to get his way.

Before anyone says we will get through a No Deal Brexit, I don't doubt we will, but at what cost? How will our industries survive? How will our poor who are already struggling manage? Scary and dark times in the history of our country.
People who want no deal don't care about that, they just want to feel like they've won at any cost. I'm pretty sure those people could end up depending on food banks and living at a homeless shelter as a result of the financial upset that's upon us but they'll still think 'At least we beat the remainers!!!!'

People like that can't be reasoned with. They'll destroy themselves for a taste so perceived victory and reject reality if it doesn't tell them what they want to hear.
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