[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

An opinion piece isn't journalism. Journalism is researching, investigating, interviewing, getting to the facts. An opinion piece is one person's own opinion on something, it's no greater than yours or my opinion.

You will find it can be both

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Ah right, assumed because it bombards me with ads there was issues, they even ****ing email me asking to donate

Luckily enough people responded to those appeals for the paper to continue.

I'd rather this model of funding by readers than a nefarious owner dictating opinions like the antichrist Murdoch (may he burn in hell for eternity) and others

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

You will find it can be both

How will I find it can be both? Are you going to explain to me how it can be both?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Luckily enough people responded to those appeals for the paper to continue.

I'd rather this model of funding by readers than a nefarious owner dictating opinions like the antichrist Murdoch (may he burn in hell for eternity) and others

But they are still sending them..on an almost weekly basis

Either way..makes no odds really. I just find myself using the site less and less by the month, so donating now would be silly. I did used to donate a while back as it was my go to read and it seemed the right thing to do. But not now. Glad others are enough for it to stay open though. As much as I find it ridiculously biased, almost comincal sometimes tbh, I wouldn't want it gone really, as left wing news sources are pretty scarce, seems to be almost all right wing stuff. Just wish that there were a few sources that would actually do fair reporting, rather than slanting it beyond belief whichever way.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

How will I find it can be both? Are you going to explain to me how it can be both?

All media do both, news and opinion.
TV, radio and press.
Individuals can do either or both.

When you watch say Peston, he reports and gives his opinion too

But newsreaders are just that

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

But they are still sending them..on an almost weekly basis

Either way..makes no odds really. I just find myself using the site less and less by the month, so donating now would be silly. I did used to donate a while back as it was my go to read and it seemed the right thing to do. But not now. Glad others are enough for it to stay open though. As much as I find it ridiculously biased, almost comincal sometimes tbh, I wouldn't want it gone really, as left wing news sources are pretty scarce, seems to be almost all right wing stuff. Just wish that there were a few sources that would actually do fair reporting, rather than slanting it beyond belief whichever way.

There used to be at least one paper of record. The Times for example, before the antichrist took over. Just news or a clear division between news and the opinion section.

Of course they are sending them. Support base is never static

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

All media do both, news and opinion.
TV, radio and press.
Individuals can do either or both.

When you watch say Peston, he reports and gives his opinion too

But his opinion isn't the journalism, he's not getting to the facts of the subject by giving his own personal opinion.

If I was stopped on the street by a reporter and asked to give my opinion on something, it wouldn't make me a journalist, but it would make the reporter one.

When someone like Owen Jones writes an opinion piece for The Guardian, he's not a journalist, because he doesn't put in the investigitve work, he's just speaking his own truths.

Let's say he wrote a piece on Tommy Robinson. My question to Jones would be. "That's your side of the story, what does Tommy Robinson have to say on the matter? Are we just supposed to take your personal opinion as facts, or are we gonna get to the truth? Did you interview Tommy Robinson, what did he say? "

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

There used to be at least one paper of record. The Times for example, before the antichrist took over. Just news or a clear division between news and the opinion section.

Of course they are sending them. Support base is never static

I actually now find the times to be the closest to impartial as there is. I know it shouldnt be that way given the owner, but it appears he has little input and its all down to staff, so of course, quality can differer between the news sources.

Not saying its perfect by any means. But I do seem to see a large range of voices on any given topic, and they seem to not quite slant stories (or none I have read anyway) so badly it gives a different story to the actual story

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by arista

For Two Sugars




Last Night Mercury Awards
London
SlowThai bugger

the 21 year old winner
on the left with his Mum
all dedicated to His brother In jail
he stabbed a another to death.

That's disgusting and very offensive to those people who have suffered someone who has been beheaded,if it had been anyone else people would have been in an uproar, stupid stunt,not funny and not clever ,bloody moron.

[Kizzy]

The decapitation stunt? Misguided at best, incendiary at worst.
No respect for anyone who feels this is the right way to get across the message that Boris is not the right person to lead this country in this manner.

[Toy Soldier]

Oh yes. Plz plz help! A fake head that you'd see on any street at Halloween is a prime example of extreme politics at the moment.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Oh yes. Plz plz help! A fake head that you'd see on any street at Halloween is a prime example of extreme politics at the moment.

They are generally not depicting a real life person though?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Oh yes. Plz plz help! A fake head that you'd see on any street at Halloween is a prime example of extreme politics at the moment.

Yeah, Right Wing terrorism is literally a thing and the biggest terrorist threat we're facing at the moment but someone waving around a fake head is the true symbol of extremism.

Tired of the false equivalency that's running rampant at the moment. The stunt was dumb and misguided and Antifa are a bunch of thugs but let's not make out that they are just as extreme as the far right who have killled people for their beliefs.

[bitontheslide]

it's inappropriate because mp's on every side have never been in more danger than they are now. We all love to hate our favourite political targets, but that doesn't usually stretch to the extremes we find ourselves in at the moment.

I genuinely feel for all our mp's and people need to dial it down a bit to keep everyone safe

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it's inappropriate because mp's on every side have never been in more danger than they are now. We all love to hate our favourite political targets, but that doesn't usually stretch to the extremes we find ourselves in at the moment.

I genuinely feel for all our mp's and people need to dial it down a bit to keep everyone safe

Papier Mache has indeed been identified as one of the main triggers for political decapitations. You can't argue with the stats, I suppose.

[Kizzy]

If you want to reduce your argument to base depictions of severed heads in a juvenile rabble rousing stylee then he has an audience... for me, it's not reasoned rational debate, so for that reason..I'm out.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by arista

For Two Sugars




Last Night Mercury Awards
London
SlowThai bugger

the 21 year old winner
on the left with his Mum
all dedicated to His brother In jail
he stabbed a another to death.

I like his t shirt

[Twosugars]

My argument is that as opponents of hard right and far right we should not go to extremes, be it for a laugh or being serious. It demeans us.
It's them who murder politicians, not us. We shouldn't even pretend we would, like with this decapitation.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Withano

I like his t shirt

You can Buy it.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Papier Mache has indeed been identified as one of the main triggers for political decapitations. You can't argue with the stats, I suppose.

What's his message though? His point. It looks to me like his message is, we need to behead people.

If Ed Sheeren went to an award ceremony and pulled out a severed head of Diane Abbott. I'd think he's gone bit loopy, and should probably seek some help. And to be honest, for the safety of others, I'd expect the Police to investigate him, to find out what he meant by it.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

What's his message though? His point. It looks to me like is message is, we need to behead people.

If Ed Sheeren went to an award ceremony and pulled out a severed head of Diane Abbott. I'd think he's gone bit loopy, and should probably seek some help. And to be honest, for the safety of others, I'd expect the Police to investigate him, to find out what he meant by it.

In the European context it reminds of the French revolution when the representatives of the republic guillotined "enemies of the people". Ott at the time and even more so now.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

In the European context it reminds of the French revolution when the representatives of the republic guillotined "enemies of the people". Ott at the time and even more so now.

But Boris is on the side of the side of the people, he's trying to implement what the people voted for. The enemies are the ones trying to deny the people what they voted for.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

But Boris is on the side of the side of the people, he's trying to implement what the people voted for. The enemies are the ones trying to deny the people what they voted for.

Absolutely not.

The slim majority voted based on lies to leave with a deal.
Bojo is doing **** all to implement that, instead he's trying to leave without a deal.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Alf

What's his message though? His point. It looks to me like is message his, we need to behead people.

Bit over simplistic really? Would you not assume it's more likely to be a metaphor?

But then again, I know over-simplified dumb-dumb politics is the flavour we're all used to now so I guess we have to take it literally.

[Twosugars]

Labour should consider voting for a Boris Johnson Brexit deal in exchange for the promise of a referendum, the shadow foreign secretary, Emily Thornberry, has told the Guardian.