[Keith_Can]

I really think she is such an evil nasty person I cant really even explain it into words. She lies so badly,. when she said to ziggy today that she doesnt slag him off behind his back i literally yelled at my tv screen. Ive never seen a more stupid, idiotic person in bb history. I cant imagine anyone being able to tolerate her outside of the house. She's not even as pretty as some people think. GRRRRR I sure hope she goes after shabs. And she drags all the rest of the jealous girls into it. Nicky & Laura are really getting on my nerves as well,. they are all jealous of chanelle,. its so obvious.

[xXEtchieXx]

yeah she is *****ing annoying as hell and yes she has me ranting and raving at my TV but isn't that one of the reasons we watch BB? you cant deny she's a brilliant housemate, the house will be as dull as dishwater when she leaves.

[geforceter]

i agree..about the nicky and laura part

[Keith_Can]

I dont agree with that argument at all,. how come so many people think if charley leaves the house will be boring?,. How about some laughs? BB#7 gave me loads of laughs,. there was osme bitching but not at all at the level this series is. It takes only one rotten apple to ruin a bunch. Charley is the rotten apple,. and the girls who have turned on ziggy are the bunch.

[the_chosen_one]

I don't think Charley's evil like some people have been saying and she's not as much of a bitch as some people are making out.

Charley's main problems are that she's not the most charming girl around and she's self centered, these are the things which make her come across as being a bad person, but bad, in my opinion, is an inaccurate way to describe Charley. I'd actually say she's good, under all that 'front'. The house is going through a difficult time at the moment because the Beckhams have seized political control and the rest of the housemates are only just beginning to realise, as Charley said last night on the highlights "he'll stick up for her and she'll stick up for him" and it's this basic strategy which is an advantage everyone else is lacking. No one else has got a true ally apart from the twins, but it's not like they're going to get in any arguments soon.

Charley actually speaks alot of truth. She also uses her arguments to manipulate people, but it's in a very obvious way, like when Big Brother announced it was one hour to nominations, Charley went to the twins and sweet talked them, it was a completely obvious display of Charley ingratiating herself, but that's Charley, it's no strings attached in the open manipulation. Now, when Charley did that, Chanelle went to the diary room and complained to Big Brother about how annoying Charley's conduct was. You might wonder why. I think it's because Chanelle couldnt contain her thoughts on such rookie mistakes of manipulation.

Chanelle is the Queen manipulator in that house, and Charley is the only relief with the 'balls' to do something about it. By the look of the live feed at the moment, even Nicky has surrendered and joined Queen Victorias court.

One thing, though. Charley does herself absolutely no favours by constantly interrupting people during an argument. If she can sort that out, she could start winning some people over, I think.

[Psylocke]

charley was sweet talkin to seany tonight

[csec]

stop chatting rubbish she is just 1 ignorant ugly b/t<h

[Keith_Can]

Like I said in some of the other threads,. everyone has a right to their opinions. Although I dont neccesarily agree with them its something I need to accept.

Heres my problem with your thoughts about the situation in the house at the moment chosen one,.,I cant really remember any time yet that Ive seen Chanelle or Ziggy talking about people behind their backs with any real dirt,. maybe small stuff like this person doesnt help out cleaning like shabs,. ect. But Charley gets evil when she talks about people behind their backs and attacks them as a human being,. Like yesterdays show I think she made a comment about Chanelle stating she has a huge forehead like a mongolian,. and like calling Ziggy a *****ing wanker on numerous occasions. The list could go on if i dug around but my point is they are all doing what is called "Case Building". It stems from insecurity about yourself as a person feeling the need to pull people into your insecurity and co-sign your thoughts. Everyone does it from time to time but in a group setting like they are in it creates an uncomfortable enviroment . The root of all the dark energy in the house is clearly Charley. Ziggy & Chanelle I see as good people simply for the fact that they dont go out of their way to intentionally try and sway peoples views other then to the obvious.

I realize Im goin off with A sorta clinical view to all this but the maliciousness of Charley's campaign to change peoples opinions is about as low as you can go. I agree deep down there she probably has a heart of gold (I believe we all do) but its so covered up with insecurity about herself she hasnt got time to worry about anyone but herself.

Im case building right now in hope i can sway your opinions. Why?,. because Im feeling insecure about what people think about Ziggy & Chanelle. And because i believe some peope have got it wrong. Its human nature. So jump on the bus and join me ,. together we can rule the dark side young Anakin

[csec]

lol "huge forehead like a mongolian" how rude


"deep down there she probably has a heart of gold" are you sure ??

[jojo74]

Cannot wait for her to be evicted....she will shat her pants

[sarahtheangel]

well the girl thinks shes all that and shes not she would be mortified to think that anyone would want to get rid of her cause she so perfect arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggg

[Wiglet]

I agree with a lot of what Chosen says and I've said much the same as I am now in my early posts about Charley. Under her hard nosed front lies a very frightened nervous interior which Charley is trying extremely hard to cover up.

When you have such a terrified interior you form an extra hard exterior as a protection barrier. Something serious has happened in Charley's life to cause her to protect herself so tightly?

Now as for her methods of manipulation, they are completely transparent and sometimes comical. Most of the time we on the outside can see right through them and if the housemates cannot see through the then we ought be wondering if their brains have been transplanted with peas?

[CharlotteSometimes]

Originally posted by Keith_Can
I cant really remember any time yet that Ive seen Chanelle or Ziggy talking about people behind their backs with any real dirt,.

When Piggy isn't bragging / boring everyone to tears about his boybland past, or patronising Chanelle with his blatantly fake knight in shining armour spiel, he's constantly stirring and trying to get people to side with him against those who are on his hitlist (which now covers more than half of the hm's). Emily was his first target, because she had him sussed from the outset. He had to get nasty there, because he knew that she was infinitely more intelligent than him and could eat him for breakfast (on a level playing field) with ease. He tried (and failed miserably) to turn Carole & Tracey against the twins a few days ago, and last night we saw him starting on Laura. He's also stirred about Charley, Shabnam, Nicky and Seany, too.

[Wiglet]

Shouldn't this thread be on the Charley forum mods?

[Keith_Can]

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes

When Piggy isn't bragging / boring everyone to tears about his boybland past, or patronising Chanelle with his blatantly fake knight in shining armour spiel, he's constantly stirring and trying to get people to side with him against those who are on his hitlist (which now covers more than half of the hm's). Emily was his first target, because she had him sussed from the outset. He had to get nasty there, because he knew that she was infinitely more intelligent than him and could eat him for breakfast (on a level playing field) with ease. He tried (and failed miserably) to turn Carole & Tracey against the twins a few days ago, and last night we saw him starting on Laura. He's also stirred about Charley, Shabnam, Nicky and Seany, too.

First of all Ziggy got nasty with Emily for reasons which you dont mention,. which were she acted like a bitch by saying right in front of them that she wouldnt get into a bed with a guy on the show. Which is,. for one,. bullsh*t (of course she would) and two very condescending to Chanelle subtly referring to her as easy or slutty. Emily cleary showed she wasnt intelligent from day one when she claimed she discovered "the new indie music" and confirmed her stupidity with the ****** comment. And btw,. an argument one on one which they had is a level playing field. Nothing you said has any validity. Callin him Piggy only proved your biased anyway.

[the_chosen_one]

Originally posted by Keith_Can
Like I said in some of the other threads,. everyone has a right to their opinions. Although I dont neccesarily agree with them its something I need to accept.

Heres my problem with your thoughts about the situation in the house at the moment chosen one,.,I cant really remember any time yet that Ive seen Chanelle or Ziggy talking about people behind their backs with any real dirt,. maybe small stuff like this person doesnt help out cleaning like shabs,. ect. But Charley gets evil when she talks about people behind their backs and attacks them as a human being,. Like yesterdays show I think she made a comment about Chanelle stating she has a huge forehead like a mongolian,. and like calling Ziggy a *****ing *****r on numerous occasions. The list could go on if i dug around but my point is they are all doing what is called "Case Building". It stems from insecurity about yourself as a person feeling the need to pull people into your insecurity and co-sign your thoughts. Everyone does it from time to time but in a group setting like they are in it creates an uncomfortable enviroment . The root of all the dark energy in the house is clearly Charley. Ziggy & Chanelle I see as good people simply for the fact that they dont go out of their way to intentionally try and sway peoples views other then to the obvious.

I realize Im goin off with A sorta clinical view to all this but the maliciousness of Charley's campaign to change peoples opinions is about as low as you can go. I agree deep down there she probably has a heart of gold (I believe we all do) but its so covered up with insecurity about herself she hasnt got time to worry about anyone but herself.

Im case building right now in hope i can sway your opinions. Why?,. because Im feeling insecure about what people think about Ziggy & Chanelle. And because i believe some peope have got it wrong. Its human nature. So jump on the bus and join me ,. together we can rule the dark side young Anakin

I appreciate you would like to explain to people your view on Chanelle and Ziggy and maybe convert people into your way of thinking, but you'll have to look for possible recruits elsewhere, unfortunately.

To veer slightly off topic for a moment to address your point about Ziggy and Chanelle, these two are very, very particular about the words they use. They know single words are enough to condemn someone for something ( e.g. Emily) but if issues are skirted around and not spelled out for the public, they can get away with practically anything. When Ziggy and chanelle are talking with each other the conversations are always carefully worded for the cameras, questions will be asked and you can see answers forming in their heads but the words that come out do not match the amount of thought and analysis you can read on their faces. For an example I'll direct you to yesterdays highlights when Chanelle and Ziggy were in the bathroom talking about homosexuals and how bothered Ziggy was about it. Minutes earlier he had stated that he wasn't comfortable about Seany and Gerry's situation and the prospect of them having sexual relations, then Chanelle pulled Ziggy into the bathroom to talk about it properly and Ziggy gave an answer coming from a completely different angle from the one moments earlier, it was a more accepting and liberal point of view than the one before.

This is just an example of how Ziggy is very easy to read when he's being dishonest, you'll notice above CharlotteSometimes gives other (valid) examples of the way Ziggy manipulates, but in my opinion the hardest one to pin down is Chanelle. Ziggy and Chanelle are in a personal battle of manipulating each other, but the rest of the time is spent putting their heads together to manipulate the housemates and the viewers.

Look at the way Chanelle ordered the viewers to evict Charley yesterday in the middle of her diary room performance. When was the last time you had a Big Brother housemate give you orders in the subtle form of a cute little diary room performance?

Charley doesn't like to be manipulated so it's obviously bringing out her bad side.

If you're insecure about people not liking your favourite's Keith, I can't help you on that, but if you come away from the lure of the dark side, maybe you'll find yourself not supporting those on the dark side.

[Bells]

She really is. I'm shocked... because I did think she'd try to at least mend her ways a little bit and have fun and get on with people, but I was obviously being a bit naive about her. She just couldn't care less it seems, and doesn't care about what people think of her - as far as she's concerned, you either take her or leave her and it doesn't bother her in the slightest. And having such an attitude IMO doesn't really do her any favours. I'm getting quite sick of her at the moment and I'm shocked she didn't receive a single nomination.

[MaDdOctoR]

Originally posted by csec
lol "huge forehead like a mongolian" how rude


"deep down there she probably has a heart of gold" are you sure ??

hey all bet's are off.....she said about Chanelle "I hate her and her big F'ing coconut head" now if it was the other way round would that not be taken as a racial slur? I think you'll find that it would.

the girl needs to be booted out, or dragged out by them big f'ing hoops she calls earings.....

anyone saying "she's a nice person" obviously hasn't been watching.....

if you are a nice person you don't bitch about people, you don't moan about stuff then moan about other people moaning about the same thing.......

another week with her in......please walk.....or stop saying you will......

[MaDdOctoR]

Originally posted by the_chosen_one

I appreciate you would like to explain to people your view on Chanelle and Ziggy and maybe convert people into your way of thinking, but you'll have to look for possible recruits elsewhere, unfortunately.

To veer slightly off topic for a moment to address your point about Ziggy and Chanelle, these two are very, very particular about the words they use. They know single words are enough to condemn someone for something ( e.g. Emily) but if issues are skirted around and not spelled out for the public, they can get away with practically anything. When Ziggy and chanelle are talking with each other the conversations are always carefully worded for the cameras, questions will be asked and you can see answers forming in their heads but the words that come out do not match the amount of thought and analysis you can read on their faces. For an example I'll direct you to yesterdays highlights when Chanelle and Ziggy were in the bathroom talking about homosexuals and how bothered Ziggy was about it. Minutes earlier he had stated that he wasn't comfortable about Seany and Gerry's situation and the prospect of them having sexual relations, then Chanelle pulled Ziggy into the bathroom to talk about it properly and Ziggy gave an answer coming from a completely different angle from the one moments earlier, it was a more accepting and liberal point of view than the one before.

This is just an example of how Ziggy is very easy to read when he's being dishonest, you'll notice above CharlotteSometimes gives other (valid) examples of the way Ziggy manipulates, but in my opinion the hardest one to pin down is Chanelle. Ziggy and Chanelle are in a personal battle of manipulating each other, but the rest of the time is spent putting their heads together to manipulate the housemates and the viewers.

Look at the way Chanelle ordered the viewers to evict Charley yesterday in the middle of her diary room performance. When was the last time you had a Big Brother housemate give you orders in the subtle form of a cute little diary room performance?

Charley doesn't like to be manipulated so it's obviously bringing out her bad side.

If you're insecure about people not liking your favourite's Keith, I can't help you on that, but if you come away from the lure of the dark side, maybe you'll find yourself not supporting those on the dark side.

I think you'll find that many viewers don't need manipulating on the matter of Charley.

I'm pretty sure that neither of them (nor anyone else in there) is capable of such claims......maybe by accident, but certainly not premeditated....

actually, they should put Derren Brown in the next CBB imagine that....especially if they allow him to do his stuff

[blinkinlovely]

Mmmmm just think some of the language and use of ** in this thread is a bit much.

Is there a policy mods??

[Foebane100]

Originally posted by csec
lol "huge forehead like a mongolian" how rude


"deep down there she probably has a heart of gold" are you sure ??

Heart of a gold digger, maybe.

What's with the I've got about Ł8,000 worth of clothes in here.

Lapdancing and leeching off others obviously pays well, since lapdancers are well known for not paying tax on their money.

[CharlotteSometimes]

Originally posted by Keith_Can
First of all Ziggy got nasty with Emily for reasons which you dont mention,. which were she acted like a bitch by saying right in front of them that she wouldnt get into a bed with a guy on the show. Which is,. for one,. bullsh*t (of course she would) and two very condescending to Chanelle subtly referring to her as easy or slutty. Emily cleary showed she wasnt intelligent from day one when she claimed she discovered "the new indie music" and confirmed her stupidity with the ni**er comment. And btw,. an argument one on one which they had is a level playing field. Nothing you said has any validity. Callin him Piggy only proved your biased anyway.

No, he got nasty with Emily once he realised that she wasn't even remotely interested in him, and in fact could see right through him. She only said that 'right in front of them' after Piggy decided to make an issue out of it. Therefore, if anyone was 'very condescending to Chanelle', it was actually Piggy for dragging it up in front of her. How can you possibly know whether she'd 'get into bed with a guy on the show' or not? I'm not really sure why you're wasting so much energy on attacking Emily, though. Perhaps you've presumed that I'm a fan? When a grown man has to resort to swearing profusely and using extremely aggressive language in a snarling, sneering attempt to silence a teenage girl, that's hardly 'a level playing field'. It's a male chauvinist pig(gy) beaten, clinging to the ropes and resorting to rabbit punches to buy himself a little breathing space. Surely the very fact that you bothered to quote and respond to my post is validation enough?

[MaDdOctoR]

Originally posted by Keith_Can

First of all Ziggy got nasty with Emily for reasons which you dont mention,. which were she acted like a bitch by saying right in front of them that she wouldnt get into a bed with a guy on the show. Which is,. for one,. bullsh*t (of course she would) and two very condescending to Chanelle subtly referring to her as easy or slutty. Emily cleary showed she wasnt intelligent from day one when she claimed she discovered "the new indie music" and confirmed her stupidity with the ni**er comment. And btw,. an argument one on one which they had is a level playing field. Nothing you said has any validity. Callin him Piggy only proved your biased anyway.

Emily didn't "act like a bitch" at all, she said what she felt, I don't believe she was the type of person to "get in to bed with the next male" as Ziggy was putting it, plus anything she ever had to say to anyone she said it, (not behind their backs like a bitch would......looking in Charley's direction)

Ziggy should have been the man he claims to be and just said to Emily, "I understand what you are saying, but everone is different" not gone off and accuse her of being a slapper who will sleep around to get famous.....dumb t**t.

if you go back and watch the footage properly you'll see that Emily always said what she thought to the person she was thinking about.

Lesley (lied about her age being 72 to Emily) Emily says "Lesley's 72" everyone says "no she's not" Emily says "that's what she told me, I'll go and ask her then"

some viewers think she's a bitch because she asks Lesley her age......after being lied to about it......hmmmm

Charley and (can't remember if it was Nikki or Chavnam) about Chanelle and Ziggy having a gameplan.......Emily says it to Ziggy.....Emily becomes the "bitch" because she said it TO HIS FACE...... I really don't get how that makes her a bitch......

then saying that about not sleeping in the same bed as a man on National TV, Ziggy says "that's bullsh*t" Emily is viewed as a bitch by certain viewers.........

Emily says something stupid......she's called a Racist

the real bitch in the house is still in there.......and unfortunately is there for another week......boooooooooooooooooooooooooo
I hope she does what she was saying last night and walks out behind Chavnam......we can only hope.

[Keith_Can]

Well i guess some people see it different,. not much I could do to change that,.,myself,. Im with Ziggy and Chanelle. I honestly feel they are genuine and are thrown into a house full of lunatics. Although Im pretty sure if Ziggy fancied Emily and decided to pursue her she wouldnt have behaved the way she did,.,.anyway shes gone so who cares,. this is supposed to be about the nutter charley and how much I hate her,.and obviously got a bit off topic.

I must say like the chosen one mentioned in another thread. this is like a crash course on female behaviour for me. its insane the amount of bitching some people are capable of.

[xkatex]

I don't really mind her to be honest. She has her moments where she is bitchy and nasty but she's not the only one in the house who is like it I've noticed Shabnam and Chanelle like to bitch alot aswell.