[arista]

That's a Bloody High increase
11%
Yes the Union wants even more?


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49625303

[smudgie]

Ah well, good for the environment

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by arista

That's a Bloody High increase
11%
Yes the Union wants even more?


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49625303

11% and not satisfied ~ greedy basts.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by hijaxers

11% and not satisfied ~ greedy basts.

Yep they are

[Marsh.]

Good for them.

[bitontheslide]

i don't think anyone can judge from % alone, it means nothing and is a standard tactic to make those requesting it seem like the guilty party

[AnnieK]

My brother works for BA and now has to strike, he's not happy about it but if the Union says you've got to come out, you do or face the consequences. His wife said there are cabin crew who refused to strike 9 years ago who are still ostracised by those who did strike

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by arista

That's a Bloody High increase
11%
Yes the Union wants even more?


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49625303

Do you know why they are asking for so much?

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Do you know why they are asking for so much?

Something to do with them only earning an average of £100grand a year, and they want a bigger share of the profits.
The strikes cost BA about £40 million a day.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by hijaxers

11% and not satisfied ~ greedy basts.

And how much do flight costs to customers increase year on year? Should those increases not be passed on to the pilots and crew who fly the airlines?

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Something to do with them only earning an average of £100grand a year, and they want a bigger share of the profits.
The strikes cost BA about £40 million a day.

You see that makes them sound greedy and selfish...but there is so much more to the story that people are oblivious to.

I support them all the way.

[Ammi]

...(..one of the things I read..)..was that during harder times for the airline, pilots accepted a lower salary to help out so a lot of the proposed increase only goes to make up what they agreed to lose then and over however much time..?...the profits that BA are making now are not reflective of what the pilots have been offered...and also in appreciation and acknowledgement of what they gave to the airline..?...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

And how much do flight costs to customers increase year on year? Should those increases not be passed on to the pilots and crew who fly the airlines?

Don't be silly Annie..don't you know anything about venture capitalism?
If the workers want a fair wage or a share of the profits they are greedy basts!

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...(..one of the things I read..)..was that during harder times for the airline, pilots accepted a lower salary to help out so a lot of the proposed increase only goes to make up what they agreed to lose then and over however much time..?...the profits that BA are making now are not reflective of what the pilots have been offered...and also in appreciation and acknowledgement of what they gave to the airline..?...

Yes Ammi...you are right.

[joeysteele]

It seems a good deal on the surface.
It may well be.

However another point is its 11% over 3 years, not in one go.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It seems a good deal on the surface.
It may well be.

However another point is its 11% over 3 years, not in one go.

But they haven’t had a rise for years to help the company...now they are making good profits..it’s payback time.

[bitontheslide]

Market value dictates what people are worth Market conditions also affect it. In the same way that employers make redundancies and restrict pay rises and enforce conditions when they are under pressure, employees go for what they can get when they see an advantage. If they are in a position to get what they want, i see it as swings and roundabouts

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

But they haven’t had a rise for years to help the company...now they are making good profits..it’s payback time.

I agree rusticgal.

[AnnieK]

Just because they earn a decent wage, doesn't mean they are not entitled to strike. Personally, I wouldn't want to get on a plane flown by a disgruntled employee. These pilots, especially the newly qualified spend years paying their training costs back through their wages, spend holidays, birthdays, christmases away from their families, endure yearly simulator tests and exams to ensure they are safe to fly etc etc...the company is turning massive profit now, thanks in part to its staff.of all levels so they should be recognised imo

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Just because they earn a decent wage, doesn't mean they are not entitled to strike. Personally, I wouldn't want to get on a plane flown by a disgruntled employee. These pilots, especially the newly qualified spend years paying their training costs back through their wages, spend holidays, birthdays, christmases away from their families, endure yearly simulator tests and exams to ensure they are safe to fly etc etc...the company is turning massive profit now, thanks in part to its staff.of all levels so they should be recognised imo

Couldn’t agree more..

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Just because they earn a decent wage, doesn't mean they are not entitled to strike. Personally, I wouldn't want to get on a plane flown by a disgruntled employee. These pilots, especially the newly qualified spend years paying their training costs back through their wages, spend holidays, birthdays, christmases away from their families, endure yearly simulator tests and exams to ensure they are safe to fly etc etc...the company is turning massive profit now, thanks in part to its staff.of all levels so they should be recognised imo

[Twosugars]

BA made almost 2 billion in profits last year.
Thanks to whom? Their staff. So fair dos to them striking for a slice of that.
11% over 3 years is barely over inflation so almost nothing

[Ammi]

...Annie.....there seems to be lots of reasons why it’s come to this, as Rusticgal said as well...over time there has been a decline in benefits and working conditions...an airline making higher charges but operating more like a budget airline and the profits not being passed on to employees...?...and one of the biggest issues and cutbacks made, being pensions ...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

But they haven’t had a rise for years to help the company...now they are making good profits..it’s payback time.

Yes that makes sense Rusti, the only problem for me and this is as much the companies fault is the inconvenience to the public, BA staff in general seem to strike quite a lot, they are a company I tend avoid when considering who to fly with for that reason

[Kizzy]

Then you would think that would prompt them to treat their staff better the fact it is having such an impact on public perception. For me that should reflect badly on the company not the staff. For staff to strike regularly there must be challenges to several aspects of the contract? Pay and conditions, overtime, health and safety, holiday entitlement, bonuses or pensions.
Why is a company with an annual profit margin that large willing to risk adverse publicity and grounding?