[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Stay put advice is counterintuitive tbf

I would imagine it isn't if the building is up to regulation, which the fire service would naturally assume it was since it's a social housing building

[Cherie]

If they really had to split the delivery of the report, and not sure why it was necessary, the report on the building, its condition, and what is was wrapped in should have come first, it was the building that caught fire

[The Slim Reaper]

[Ammi]

...I still find it incredible that part 2 of a two part report is released without any context of part 1 ..which couldn’t be more relevant to lead to the fire fighting...it’s like giving half the second half of a story and then having to wait around a year for the first half...?...I can’t see that it’s been done for any other reason than to plant the seeds of ‘fire service at blame..’...in the minds of the public...it’s quite despicable and extremely unfair...

[parmnion]

One fire fighter amazed me last night..he was telling a story about going up to the 5th floor and having to turn back, as he was going back down the stairs he stood on 2 people and dragged them out saving them from certain death...the only thing he was bothered about was the fact he was tasked with going up to check a house on the 13th floor and didn't make it up to the 13th floor to save those people.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Almost all the survivors are blaming the fire service I'm afraid.

Why though... all fire services have contingency plans to aid their preparedness, that sit and wait decision is a very common part of the response.
However seeing as the nature of the fire it didn't behave like an average high rise fire, but this can't have been known as the fire spread much more rapidly than it would ordinarily do.
I can't believe that the focus is on the fire service, Revolting!!

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Why though... all fire services have contingency plans to aid their preparedness, that sit and wait decision is a very common part of the response.
However seeing as the nature of the fire it didn't behave like an average high rise fire, but this can't have been known as the fire spread much more rapidly than it would ordinarily do.
I can't believe that the focus is on the fire service, Revolting!!

You can't blame anyone else yet, this enquiry was about the events on the night...and I'm sorry to be blunt.....


But if you still tell people to remain in their house when you see that building going up like that from a safe distance..as firemen are reporting back to you that they can't reach the floor they were directed to go to because of certain things.....

Im sorry...but you have condemned those people to death, perhaps you may have known that if you said evacuate, you may have had another sort of catastrophe on your hands.


But sadly I would think most people were dead before a flame touched them..

And very goulishly, I think we should all be thankful to someone that the number wern'tt as high as the maths may assume...so on that basis, you got to imagine that some people just left the building as soon as they noticed. While others remained....

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Infuriating that the brave Men and Women who risked their lives that night are being thrown under the bus it seems. The people know the truth regardless. RBKC and The Tory party will forever have blood on their hands and they can try cover up their neglect whichever way they like, they can’t hide from the truth.

Blame the torys all you want...but labour refuted looking into the stay put policy in the 2 tragedies before grenfell.

[The Slim Reaper]

[Liam-]

Jfc, he’s a foul creature ain’t he

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Rather insensitive but he does have a point...Im pretty sure I would have been making my own way out no matter what I was told.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Rather insensitive but he does have a point...Im pretty sure I would have been making my own way out no matter what I was told.

The stairways were full of bodies because people did try and escape the building.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

The stairways were full of bodies because people did try and escape the building.

293 people were in the building when the fire started...231 escaped..


Most victims were vapourised in thier rooms in temperatures reaching over 1000 degree.

[Twosugars]

What a despicable creature mogg is
What about the old, children and disabled? What about those cut off by flames and confused by smoke?

[Cherie]

What he failed to understand was this is a tower block with 30 floors if everyone stampeded out there could have been even more deaths, also the stairwell was full of smoke so if you were high up you could have died of smoke inhalation as many needed oxegen to get out alive.... yes of course if you were on the ground, first, second or third but as you got higher up, if you were infirm, disabled, had young kids..... absolute monster he is

[arista]

Yes he has said
Sorry for what he stated on LBC.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes he has said
Sorry for what he stated on LBC.

He's sorry because he's been called out on it, not because what he said was inappropriate to say the least.

[Ammi]

...isn't he fortunate that neither him or any of his family or loved ones had to live in a sub-standard building ...he’s despicable...

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Rather insensitive but he does have a point...Im pretty sure I would have been making my own way out no matter what I was told.

Well some of the reporting of this has been embellished as he didn't actually say those people "lacked" common sense ,infact I never heard him use that word at all, it was a thoughtless thing to say but don't think what was said ,was said maliciously as much as some people would like to paint it that way, he's apologised that's all he can do.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well some of the reporting of this has been embellished as he didn't actually say those people "lacked" common sense ,infact I never heard him use that word at all, it was a thoughtless thing to say but don't think what was said ,was said maliciously as much as some people would like to paint it that way, he's apologised that's all he can do.

He said both he and Nick "would have left the building because it was the common sense thing to do"

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

He's sorry because he's been called out on it, not because what he said was inappropriate to say the least.

For sure

[The Slim Reaper]

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

He said both he and Nick "would have left the building because it was the common sense thing to do"

I know so why are the media making out he said the victims LACK common sense that is not what was said,this is why I never believe tabloids and media fodder.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I know so why are the media making out he said the victims LACK common sense that is not what was said,this is why I never believe tabloids and media fodder.

He said they would have gotten out because they’ve got common sense, therefore, the victims that didn’t get out, lacked common sense to get out, nothing is being twisted.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I know so why are the media making out he said the victims LACK common sense that is not what was said,this is why I never believe tabloids and media fodder.

I buy a sun on a Sunday to read with my fry up for a laugh, and that's it.

Obviously he wasn't meaning they were idiots, but it was grabbed by the media knowing the frenzied response it would recieve. ..thus using the memory of the dead themselves...

All its done for me is show how people are easily led..those easily led people judge the person first, rather than the subject.

They see a posh bloke in a suit, an easy target at some schools I would imagine, the population of this country at times to me, come across like schoolyard bullies who hate the person who looks different or thinks different.

Britain will never get back together due to this