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Mystic Mock · 12-12-2019, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

If you want the NHS to continue being a thing, vote Labour.

If you like crippling debt any time you need to visit a hospital, vote Tory. Voting Tory is essentially voting for the deaths of people who won't be able to afford healthcare without the NHS.

I agree with what you're saying to some extent Dezzy.

This Election is basically vote on what bothers you more out of mass Immigration or the mismanagement of the NHS. Sadly I think that people will vote more based on the former than the latter.

Withano · 12-12-2019, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

Rubbish...labour scare tactics. ."save our nhs"

Pfft...I first saw those signs in the 70s and it's still going strong.

...no it isn’t. It gets weaker each year the tories are in power.

GoldHeart · 12-12-2019, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

It would be funny if it wasn't the truth...
I'm amazed this is being held up as an example of dishonesty, like the conservatives can be as bogus, untrustworthy and corrupt as they like but if labour aren't perfect... not that they've ever claimed to be they're the worst :/

Exactly it's ridiculous how badly Labour gets treated

Zizu · 12-12-2019, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

If you want the NHS to continue being a thing, vote Labour.

If you like crippling debt any time you need to visit a hospital, vote Tory. Voting Tory is essentially voting for the deaths of people who won't be able to afford healthcare without the NHS.

That said , crippling debt equates to Labour ... fact

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Zizu · 12-12-2019, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

It would be funny if it wasn't the truth...

I'm amazed this is being held up as an example of dishonesty, like the conservatives can be as bogus, untrustworthy and corrupt as they like but if labour aren't perfect... not that they've ever claimed to be they're the worst :/

Why didn’t they simply use an actual flamin’ nurse in the first place ?

It can’t be that difficult to find a disgruntled one ...

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Kizzy · 12-12-2019, 11:33 AM

Why not get one of the troll nurses from Facebook used to discredit the story of the little boy on the floor of Leeds general infirmary ? ?

Oliver_W · 12-12-2019, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Zizu

That said , crippling debt equates to Labour ... fact

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So shall we have everyone in crippling debt, or just the NHS?

Zizu · 12-12-2019, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

Rubbish...labour scare tactics. ."save our nhs"

Pfft...I first saw those signs in the 70s and it's still going strong.

Basically nothing has changed since the 60’s ... they all promise the earth and more , one of them gets into power ... fails to deliver on all those empty promises

Just repeat when and where required.

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Zizu · 12-12-2019, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Withano

...no it isn’t. It gets weaker each year the tories are in power.

The number of A&E cases seen has TRIPLED in the last few years ... how is that the fault of the tories ( or labour for that matter ) ?

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Oliver_W · 12-12-2019, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Zizu

The number of A&E cases seen has TRIPLED in the last few years ... how is that the fault of the tories ( or labour for that matter ) ?

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Well it's both of their faults for not limiting population growth tbh.

Kizzy · 12-12-2019, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Zizu

The number of A&E cases seen has TRIPLED in the last few years ... how is that the fault of the tories ( or labour for that matter ) ?

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It's harder to get a doctors appointments, people are waiting till their condition is acute before seeking help?
People with recognised contitions are being found 'fit for work'.
Poverty is causing 'heat or eat' issues like malnutriton and hypothermia.
The homeless brought to A&E for various issues including mental health problems.
Addiction issues arising from poverty.
Stress, depression and suicide attempts.

There are many reasons, those are just a few I can think of off the top of my head.

Zizu · 12-12-2019, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's harder to get a doctors appointments, people are waiting till their condition is acute before seeking help?
People with recognised contitions are being found 'fit for work'.
Poverty is causing 'heat or eat' issues like malnutriton and hypothermia.

Yes but there’s no way any party can cope when the hospital cases are tripling in as many years ..

Not 10% or 30% but 300% increase in demand ..

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Kizzy · 12-12-2019, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Zizu

Yes but there’s no way any party can cope when the hospital cases are tripling in as many years ..

Not 10% or 30% but 300% increase in demand ..

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They could if other services that took the strain weren't removed or cut to the bone.

Oliver_W · 12-12-2019, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

They could if other services that took the strain weren't removed or cut to the bone.

Yeah I always go to the post office for broken bones and heart attacks.

Withano · 12-12-2019, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Zizu

The number of A&E cases seen has TRIPLED in the last few years ... how is that the fault of the tories ( or labour for that matter ) ?

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Why you pretending this is the only problem

LeatherTrumpet · 12-12-2019, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Zizu

Yes but there’s no way any party can cope when the hospital cases are tripling in as many years ..

Not 10% or 30% but 300% increase in demand ..

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One of the main problems is the increasing number of geriatric patients who clog up beds as they dont have anywhere to go - cant go home and there are no places at care homes so they stay in hospitals and the number is growing

Kizzy · 12-12-2019, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

One of the main problems is the increasing number of geriatric patients who clog up beds as they dont have anywhere to go - cant go home and there are no places at care homes so they stay in hospitals and the number is growing

Ah yes bed blocking how could I forget? Social care is in crisis as these lovely privatley run nursing homes go bust.

LeatherTrumpet · 12-12-2019, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

Ah yes bed blocking how could I forget? Social care is in crisis as these lovely privatley run nursing homes go bust.

Everything is in crisis it seems and yet on we go

Kizzy · 12-12-2019, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Everything is in crisis it seems and yet on we go

Yes turkeys voting for christmas...at Christmas. That's what a boris vote means essentially.

Tom4784 · 12-12-2019, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

Rubbish...labour scare tactics. ."save our nhs"

Pfft...I first saw those signs in the 70s and it's still going strong.

Be careful you don't get sand in your ears.

Elliot · 12-12-2019, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordan.

Skjskjs

LeatherTrumpet · 12-12-2019, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yes turkeys voting for christmas...at Christmas. That's what a boris vote means essentially.

no it does not and insulting people to make yourself feel better is not nice, have some respect for other people

Tom4784 · 12-12-2019, 02:10 PM

I have no respect for people who do themselves, and by extension, people around them, harm through ignorance.

Clutching your pearls in faux outrage is not an argument against what Kizzy is saying.