[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Uncanny

[jet]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

What are the sins of the millions more homeless people? What are the sins of the food bank users? What were the sins of disabled people that chose to end their lives rather than deal with tory heartlessness?

It’s much more complex than you seem to think...and how do you know a Labour gov for the past 10 yrs would have fared any better?
The Welsh NHS is in a much worse state then the rest of the UK's, and it has been Labour run since 1999....

The last Labour gov left a mountain of debt that the Tories had to sort out, as per usual. You also have to factor in the deluge of immigrants and an aging population that are putting the NHS under terrible strain. No gov wants to be deliberately evil to their citizens, to think so is just nonsense.

Let’s see what the Tories can do about it this time around before we damn them.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by jet

It’s much more complex than you seem to think...and how do you know a Labour gov for the past 10 yrs would have fared any better?
The Welsh NHS is in a much worse state then the rest of the UK's, and it has been Labour run since 1999....

The last Labour gov left a mountain of debt that the Tories had to sort out, as per usual. You also have to factor in the deluge of immigrants and an aging population that are putting the NHS under terrible strain. No gov wants to be deliberately evil to their citizens, to think so is just nonsense.

Let’s see what the Tories can do about it this time around before we damn them.

The tories have spent more and added more debt, but the bit in bold gets to the crux of the matter. Enjoy your weekend.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

The tories have spent more and added more debt, but the bit in bold gets to the crux of the matter. Enjoy your weekend.

Do you know how many illegal immigrants used NHS services in the last 10 years?

[jet]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

The tories have spent more and added more debt, but the bit in bold gets to the crux of the matter. Enjoy your weekend.

Does it? How so?

[thesheriff443]

Corbyn was like having a rotting dead cow on the table while holding a dinner party for vegetarians.

He should of been got rid off a long time ago.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Do you know how many illegal immigrants used NHS services in the last 10 years?

What tax rates are corporations like Apple and starbucks paying?

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Do you know how many illegal immigrants used NHS services in the last 10 years?

Do you have any idea how much money big co operations have!!! , now after this Tory win . the rich just get richer ! .

[UserSince2005]

bye bitch

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Do you have any idea how much money big co operations have!!! , now after this Tory win . the rich just get richer ! .

Its "the rich" that provide the jobs for others who do you work for?

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its "the rich" that provide the jobs for others who do you work for?

They also don't pay tax !

[jet]

Slim Reaper, you didn't say what you thought of the much worse state of the Welsh NHS under Labour....

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its "the rich" that provide the jobs for others who do you work for?

I never thought for a second I'd ever see you using the language of serfs. Did the rich build all their own infrastructure too? Their own roads to get product to market? Mike Ashley - a billionaire, fills out his warehouses with people on zero-hour contracts. How are they helping people?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

They also don't pay tax !

WHo dont?

"the rich" is not really anything other than a slogan from a left wing rally. DO you mean surgeons, judges, police chiefs, doctors?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by jet

Slim Reaper, you didn't say what you thought of the much worse state of the Welsh NHS under Labour....

Where does the funding come from?

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

WHo dont?

"the rich" is not really anything other than a slogan from a left wing rally. DO you mean surgeons, judges, police chiefs, doctors?

Doctors,nurses , police you name it those are the people we need more of but due to cuts they're very few of them.

Where's all these extra 50 ,000nurses that Johnson promises ??? The delusion is real!

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Doctors,nurses , police you name it those are the people we need more of but due to cuts they're very few of them.

Where's all these extra 50 nurses that Johnson promises ??? The delusion is real!

aha you got me there


there is no way Boris can get 50 nurses in the next term - what fresh madness is this?

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

aha you got me there


there is no way Boris can get 50 nurses in the next term - what fresh madness is this?

I said 50,000 I edited it

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Where does the funding come from?

Westminster and it was cut by about 41% and from experience, they’re still doing their best under tremendous strain

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Westminster and it was cut by about 41% and from experience, they’re still doing their best under tremendous strain

To be fair, they also are a separate entity to a degree, but funding is governed by a specific formula that isn't a needs based system, which equals more underfunding for Da Wales.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Westminster and it was cut by about 41% and from experience, they’re still doing their best under tremendous strain

how do you know they are doing their best?


they may be very poorly run.?

[jet]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Where does the funding come from?

NHS Wales Funding
NHS Wales receives the majority of its funding from the Welsh Government. This takes the following forms:

Revenue allocations to local health boards to secure hospital, community and primary care services for their resident populations
Capital allocations to local health boards and NHS Trusts for operational and strategic capital developments
Targeted funding for health improvement and other Welsh Government initiatives.

While funding comes from Westminster, the Welsh Gov decides where it is allocated, it may not be used to boost their NHS suffciently.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

how do you know they are doing their best?


they may be very poorly run.?

Because my mum has been in and out of hospital all year, she’s currently been in for nearly a month and they’ve done a great job with her, the nurses couldn’t be more helpful if they tried, their funds are appalling, but the heart and soul of the NHS is still there, they do what they can, with what they’ve got, I can only imagine what they’d be able to do if they received the funding they deserve

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what media?

tv, press, online?

and who in those sections?

Newspapers, Sky News, and BBC News all branding Corbyn as a terrorist sympathizer and a lunatic.

It makes the campaign against Ed Miliband look mild in comparison.

Tbh it makes no sense to me why the Media went like that either as Boris was gonna win this Election anyway.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Because my mum has been in and out of hospital all year, she’s currently been in for nearly a month and they’ve done a great job with her, the nurses couldn’t be more helpful if they tried, their funds are appalling, but the heart and soul of the NHS is still there, they do what they can, with what they’ve got, I can only imagine what they’d be able to do if they received the funding they deserve

When people say the NHS is being poorly run, they're not referring to the front line medical staff, who are literal incarnate angels. They're talking abo non-clinical staff above them who make decisions regarding tohow things are run.

Speedy recovery to your mum<3