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Old 19-12-2019, 09:57 PM #51
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Victim blaming again?

Hospital and ambulance service can't cope with demand for patients. Damn them bloody patients getting ill, having accidents and dying.
Victim blaming is the Tories' go to. Blame someone more unfortunate than yourself, the rich will blame the middle class, the middle class blames the working class, the working class blames the vulnerable.
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More evidence of the demonisation of the NHS in order to soften the public up to selling and dismantling it.
It's not about that a woman dies ffs
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It's not about that a woman dies ffs
Death as a consequence of overstretched nhs caused by underfunding caused by the cons who cant be trusted not to sell it

There heres the cause effect sequence for you
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6 hours

How many have to die before the gov dose some thing

Very sad
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Death as a consequence of overstretched nhs caused by underfunding caused by the cons who cant be trusted not to sell it

There heres the cause effect sequence for you
You don't know that yet you try to make the point. Awful
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You don't know that yet you try to make the point. Awful
Your response
Terrible
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How many have to die before the gov dose some thing

Very sad
If that was a terrorist incident, the public would have jumped in, ignoring all warnings.

Looks like they were all to busying thier phones to do the decent thing and pick her up, if they could..pop her in the back of a neighbours car..maybe take her to A&E and use it for what it's for...
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Isn't Wales NHS managed by Labour?
Corbyn's fault!!...
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This whole story is fishy.

Why leave her on the pavement? Why would they bundle her up in freezing conditions instead of moving her inside or getting alternate transport to the hospital?

I feel sorry for the family but I just don't understand why they weren't more pro-active, who the hell decided to leave her outside on the pavement in December?!
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This whole story is fishy.

Why leave her on the pavement? Why would they bundle her up in freezing conditions instead of moving her inside or getting alternate transport to the hospital?

I feel sorry for the family but I just don't understand why they weren't more pro-active, who the hell decided to leave her outside on the pavement in December?!
it does sound incredible but multiple sources have reported it word for word and no follow ups have been done by locals etc. Its like they made her a little shrine in the cold and left her, not one man tried to lift her to her feet and put her in a car to hospital - its unfathomable
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it does sound incredible but multiple sources have reported it word for word and no follow ups have been done by locals etc. Its like they made her a little shrine in the cold and left her, not one man tried to lift her to her feet and put her in a car to hospital - its unfathomable
It's just bizarre, anyone with common sense would have gotten her into a car after the first hour, I'd have done it sooner and I woulldn't have left her on the pavement like that.

I want to understand the reasoning why no one thought to do more but blame the ambulance for not getting there sooner.
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The thing is, surely she had to be moved around/lifted to get that blanket underneath her. Yet no one thought of simply getting her in the house or a car.
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The thing is, surely she had to be moved around/lifted to get that blanket underneath her. Yet no one thought of simply getting her in the house or a car.
Better to blame the ambulances that were likely backlogged on calls then their own inaction.

The more I think about this story, the less sympathetic I am for her family, she died through their inaction, not because of the NHS.
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Lets face it, a 6 hour wait for an ambulance is obscene, but not the norm, it seems people have become unable to apply any common sense, just call an ambulance for everything, once they established it was her ankle that was the issue, and not her back or her neck someone should have got her up and she could have hopped to a taxi, or car, I think people take watching Casualty to the extreme and thing everyone needs paramedic assistance, she fell over, she didn't bump her head or pass out, its insanity and I am not sure how anyone can justify leaving her there for six hours without doing something
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Lets face it, a 6 hour wait for an ambulance is obscene, but not the norm, it seems people have because unable to apply any common sense, just call an ambulance for everything, once they established it was her ankle that was the issue, and not her back or her neck someone should have got her up and she could have hopped to a taxi, or car, I think people take watching Casualty to the extreme and thing everyone needs paramedic assistance, she fell over, she didn't bump her head or pass out, its insanity and I am not sure how anyone can justify leaving her there for six hours without doing something
Agreed.

It's just a mind boggling story, what were they all doing?

I'm reluctant to blame the ambulances since, if there is such a delay then you know it's for a reason outside of their control. The people should have taken action themselves in that situation and got her to hospital.
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I don't want to say it but I'm going to...perhaps she suffocated herself with her own body weight laying there for so long that her heart couldn't take the extra pressure..it's the only thing I can think of that caused her sad ending...so maybe she couldn't be picked up!
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I don't want to say it but I'm going to...perhaps she suffocated herself with her own body weight laying there for so long that her heart couldn't take the extra pressure..it's the only thing I can think of that caused her sad ending...so maybe she couldn't be picked up!
It could also just be coincidence Oliver ,maybe she would have died anyway ,we will never know, has this made the TV news yet as I've not seen any of it ? Its a crying shame that happened but as they say fact is stranger than fiction, maybe she slipped due to an underlying condition, I guess a post mortem will probably help.
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Not going to lie after about 45mins I'd have scraped her off the floor and thrown her in the back of the micra.
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What the hell is happening in this country honestly...

Why didn't they move her? Call a taxi? As harrowing as it is seeing the photograph of her lying on the ground outside, I find it incredibly distasteful to make an entire exhibit out of her by wrapping her in duvets, blankets, etc. when all of this extra energy could have been focused towards moving the poor woman off the floor and into safer, comfier conditions. Why does the photo even exist? Oh I see, because they remembered the image of the child lying on the hospital floor went viral some weeks ago and wanted to get in on the action. Selling the exclusive image to the paper in order to get some cash, was it?

A woman has lost her life because apparently people couldn't put their heads together and realise how to help save not only her humility and pride, but her life. Not to mention she was a mother, so now someone has literally been left without a mum because she fell over outside her house.

This is jarring.

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What the hell is happening in this country honestly...

Why didn't they move her? Call a taxi? As harrowing as it is seeing the photograph of her lying on the ground outside, I find it incredibly distasteful to make an entire exhibit out of her by wrapping her in duvets, blankets, etc. when all of this extra energy could have been focused towards moving the poor woman off the floor and into safer, comfier conditions. Why does the photo even exist? Oh I see, because they remembered the image of the child lying on the hospital floor went viral some weeks ago and wanted to get in on the action. Selling the exclusive image to the paper in order to get some cash, was it?

A woman has lost her life because apparently people couldn't put their heads together and realise how to help save not only her humility and pride, but her life. Not to mention she was a mother, so now someone has literally been left without a mum because she fell over outside her house.

This is jarring.
Well said jigs .
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