[Swan]

usually spat with venom, as if being the gender i was born as is a bad thing.

Anyway, before i knew what cis meant, i had to look it up -


https://young.scot/get-informed/nati...identity-terms

Some the terms are perfectly reasonable, but some are just utterly ridiculous imo, and complete overkill.

[MB.]

On the other hand, I'm cisgender and would like to think that I can accept that fact without thinking it makes me some kind of victim (...of what? the existence of trans people?)

It's the same with any majority; if a white person thinks they're victimised by being referred to as white, then it's probably the white person's problem and nobody else's... sure, cisgender is a relatively newer term than most, but so is scientific acknowledgement that transgender people exist in the first place

[MB.]

Either that or you're debating effeminate gays who can't stop calling you 'sis'

[Swan]

Nah im not really ar*ed if people wanna call me cis or whatever, i just think some of the terms are rather humours and could be very easily exploited. If im cis im cis, idk lol.

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Swan

Nah im not really ar*ed if people wanna call me cis or whatever, i just think some of the terms are rather humours and could be very easily exploited. If im cis im cis, idk lol.

can I ask what you want to achieve by making this thread

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Ant.

can I ask what you want to achieve by making this thread

Well im curious on how some of these terms, like gender fluid for example can't be, and aren't exploited?

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Swan

Well im curious on how some of these terms, like gender fluid for example can't be, and aren't exploited?

But those terms are exploited...

[parmnion]

Sorry swan..I meant sis..my spellchecker and reading glasses fault, not mine.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by MB.

On the other hand, I'm cisgender and would like to think that I can accept that fact without thinking it makes me some kind of victim (...of what? the existence of trans people?)

It's the same with any majority; if a white person thinks they're victimised by being referred to as white, then it's probably the white person's problem and nobody else's... sure, cisgender is a relatively newer term than most, but so is scientific acknowledgement that transgender people exist in the first place

The clap emoji wouldn’t do this justice
This is an excellent post.

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by MB.

On the other hand, I'm cisgender and would like to think that I can accept that fact without thinking it makes me some kind of victim (...of what? the existence of trans people?)

It's the same with any majority; if a white person thinks they're victimised by being referred to as white, then it's probably the white person's problem and nobody else's... sure, cisgender is a relatively newer term than most, but so is scientific acknowledgement that transgender people exist in the first place

Tea

[Jessica.]

I used that term while replying to some of your post because there happens to be a lot of trans men in the world who are straight and white and not gay but don't have the same privilege as a cis guy.

[Saph]

A lot of them seem to mean the same sort of thing

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

I used that term while replying to some of your post because there happens to be a lot of trans men in the world who are straight and white and not gay but don't have the same privilege as a cis guy.

What privilege are they missing out on, in your opinion?

(I actually agree with you, but I have reasoning behind it, and I'd be interested to see what yours is)

[Livia]

I don't accept the term cis woman, I am a born woman. And if that upsets people, well, tough.

That said, if someone feels they're in the wrong body, do anything you can to live a full and happy life. But don't decide what I can and can't be called.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't accept the term cis woman, I am a born woman. And if that upsets people, well, tough.

That said, if someone feels they're in the wrong body, do anything you can to live a full and happy life. But don't decide what I can and can't be called.

Not all women are ciswomen. It’s a word to differentiate you from a transwoman as “woman” alone doesn’t actually do that...

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't accept the term cis woman, I am a born woman. And if that upsets people, well, tough.

That said, if someone feels they're in the wrong body, do anything you can to live a full and happy life. But don't decide what I can and can't be called.

Yes, I don’t see the point.
I have never felt the urge to have to tell anyone in passing I am a woman, never mind yet another label, a cis woman.

[Twosugars]

My understanding is it only applies when discussing trans issues.

And I dont have a problem with being called a cis man.


The same like I dont object to being called caucasian to describe my race.
Never even been to Caucasus

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't accept the term cis woman, I am a born woman. And if that upsets people, well, tough.

That said, if someone feels they're in the wrong body, do anything you can to live a full and happy life. But don't decide what I can and can't be called.

The voice of reason again

[Morgan.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't accept the term cis woman, I am a born woman. And if that upsets people, well, tough.

That said, if someone feels they're in the wrong body, do anything you can to live a full and happy life. But don't decide what I can and can't be called.

Therefore you are a cis woman, it’s the same thing.

[Morgan.]

Cisgender isn’t some derogatory label given to non-trans people by trans people it’s literally just what someone who identifies the same as what they were born is called.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Morgan.

Therefore you are a cis woman, it’s the same thing.

Thank you Morgan, but I don't need another word or term.

[Jessica.]

I can't believe people are refusing to accept being called what they are. In an ideal world it wouldn't matter if people were cis or not, but it does because people who aren't cis are often treated differently because of that fact. If you say you're not cis then it means you don't identify 100% with the gender you were assigned at birth.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Morgan.

Cisgender isn’t some derogatory label given to non-trans people by trans people it’s literally just what someone who identifies the same as what they were born is called.

I prefer born woman. It takes the same amount of time to say, and I don't have to resort to a Latin term to let people know who I am. Trans woman, born women, worth the same, but are different.

[bitontheslide]

i think it very much depends what your social circle is. The term cis just isn't used in my social circle, and the only place i have ever seen it used is on this forum, which is pretty ironic really given that posters are anonymous and we have no idea what sex or gender anyone is

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I prefer born woman. It takes the same amount of time to say, and I don't have to resort to a Latin term to let people know who I am. Trans woman, born women, worth the same, but are different.

Why don't you have the same attitude about every other Latin word that's used in speech? Bizarre.