[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Thatchers youth... aging yuppies.
No they won't be racist at all

There's an issue with gentrification in the lakes I remember that being seen as an issue on my last visit, lots of places stood empty as they were 2nd homes in the country.
It would be impossible to say how to make the lakes more attractive or appealing, it is in essence natural reletively unspoiled beauty.
Where possible accessibility should be a priority and funding could be made available for this.

The issue of vehicles needs addressing again, huge 4x4 s are not suitable for those roads and are a danger.

How is gentrification an issue there? There's nothing wrong with having a holiday home,ours in Norfolk doesn't keep people away from Winterton

[LeatherTrumpet]

Its a poor man's Scotland and absolutely chokka with Mountain Warehouse ramblers

give it a miss and drive another 150 miles North where you can have better scenery and not a soul in sight

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

What people are overlooking in their outrage over this, is that the Lakes receive public funding. Its not a private entity that operates on its own funds being "forced" to act a certain way "or get shut down".

People saying "no leave it alone!"... Well... Yes, that's exactly what's being said. They need to cater better to the needs of the overall public, or they will be "left alone" to do as they please. On their own dime with no public funding.

There's absolutely nothing unfair about this situation. It's actually pretty ridiculous to suggest that they should be able to ignore these issues and then say "BUT we still want funded as a national park obvz".

Good point

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

What people are overlooking in their outrage over this, is that the Lakes receive public funding. Its not a private entity that operates on its own funds being "forced" to act a certain way "or get shut down".

People saying "no leave it alone!"... Well... Yes, that's exactly what's being said. They need to cater better to the needs of the overall public, or they will be "left alone" to do as they please. On their own dime with no public funding.

There's absolutely nothing unfair about this situation. It's actually pretty ridiculous to suggest that they should be able to ignore these issues and then say "BUT we still want funded as a national park obvz".

Outdoors activities are ethnically neutral, so I'm not really sure what they're expected to do to make it "more" appealing...

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Either that, or people will start to go as they gold older. We're not gonna run out of people whp enjoy walking in beautiful scenery any time soon.

You've got to consider the fact that younger generations won't find value in the same things as older generations, plus you have to acknowledge the fact that holidays abroad are more accessible than ever. Why go to Lake District when you can go abroad and experience different cultures and a wider variety of things to do.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You've got to consider the fact that younger generations won't find value in the same things as older generations, plus you have to acknowledge the fact that holidays abroad are more accessible than ever. Why go to Lake District when you can go abroad and experience different cultures and a wider variety of things to do.

Good point, but I guess the reasons for going to the Lake District are different to why you'd go to a hotter/colder/different cultured country. Plus, "staycations" are apparently on the rise, and who knows what effects Brexit will have, along with possible future changes to the flight industry with environmental stuff....

There's nothing that really needs to change, but maybe it needs more PR

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Trust you to attack the poster not the post

The thread is about lake district not me. Follow the rules

You seem to think everyone white over 40 is a racist, that was the point YOU made about the thread, it’s not too much of a stretch to ask if you are racist yourself as your negative view of every white person seems to bear this out, you are happy enough to label people, I merely asked if you were

I haven’t broken any rules

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Thatchers youth... aging yuppies.
No they won't be racist at all

There's an issue with gentrification in the lakes I remember that being seen as an issue on my last visit, lots of places stood empty as they were 2nd homes in the country.
It would be impossible to say how to make the lakes more attractive or appealing, it is in essence natural reletively unspoiled beauty.
Where possible accessibility should be a priority and funding could be made available for this.

The issue of vehicles needs addressing again, huge 4x4 s are not suitable for those roads and are a danger.

What about hotels, and other accommodation, if you need a home in the area to visit there, holidays would be doomed

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Good point, but I guess the reasons for going to the Lake District are different to why you'd go to a hotter/colder/different cultured country. Plus, "staycations" are apparently on the rise, and who knows what effects Brexit will have, along with possible future changes to the flight industry with environmental stuff....

There's nothing that really needs to change, but maybe it needs more PR

They do need to advertise, that wouldn’t hurt

[bitontheslide]

People sneer when holiday firms or high street chains go out of business because they have not modernised and stayed in touch with what modern society demands. Funny that the very same people are suggesting that nothing needs to change with the lake district

[parmnion]

I can't imagine many old folk haring about on the quads or managing the mountain biking. ..what a load of ageist wank some people come out with these days...Ive accepted not one of them have been in thier lives; and certainly don't have much of a clue about all the activities that can be enjoyed for all ages.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

People sneer when holiday firms or high street chains go out of business because they have not modernised and stayed in touch with what modern society demands. Funny that the very same people are suggesting that nothing needs to change with the lake district

Who in this thread has done that?

[LeatherTrumpet]

good luck getting the Malia crew there or wheelchair users up the peaks

what the chap needs to do is find out all the things that will get him funding and then just do the bare minimum to trigger the cash - i am sure a few clever heads can get around all the silly PC red tape

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

That's a ridiculous comparison as the residents and business owners in the Lake District aren't hostile toward visitors.

Erm... that's my point.

Your response was that "there's absolutely nothing stopping anyone from visiting" as though a crowd of rabid white folk with pitchforks physically keeping people out is the only possible way the OP could be correct.

Just as the point about disabled has got people laughing their arses off about wheelchairs up mountains. Completely missing the point.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Erm... that's my point.

Your response was that "there's absolutely nothing stopping anyone from visiting" as though a crowd of rabid white folk with pitchforks physically keeping people out is the only possible way the OP could be correct.

Just as the point about disabled has got people laughing their arses off about wheelchairs up mountains. Completely missing the point.

you talk about the place as if its butlins with a wall around it and a gate to get in. Have you actually been to the area for a holiday?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Erm... that's my point.

Your response was that "there's absolutely nothing stopping anyone from visiting" as though a crowd of rabid white folk with pitchforks physically keeping people out is the only possible way the OP could be correct

well there is nothing stopping people from going unless you think I've missed something?

[Redway]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

good luck getting the Malia crew there or wheelchair users up the peaks

what the chap needs to do is find out all the things that will get him funding and then just do the bare minimum to trigger the cash - i am sure a few clever heads can get around all the silly PC red tape

Malia?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

well there is nothing stopping people from going unless you think I've missed something?

Who said they were being "stopped"?

There's a difference between being physically escorted out and not feeling welcome/catered for.

But anyone with the slightest common sense knows that.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

you talk about the place as if its butlins with a wall around it and a gate to get in. Have you actually been to the area for a holiday?

Struggle with sarcasm daily do you?

My point is the exact opposite

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Struggle with sarcasm daily do you?

But anyone with the slightest common sense knows that.

not sure why you are being aggressive on a thread about the lake District?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

How is gentrification an issue there? There's nothing wrong with having a holiday home, ours in Norfolk doesn't keep people away from Winterton

In the OP one of the issues raised is that the lakes are heavily weighted towards the white middle class. Which is why I raised gentrification, this is the age group that are purchasing property but not actually living there. This causes shops to close that don't cater solely to tourists and that affects communities.
It's relevant to the conversation, if you don't think so thats fine.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Who said they were being "stopped"?

There's a difference between being physically escorted out and not feeling welcome/catered for.

But anyone with the slightest common sense knows that.

Why do they need to be catered for when it's a universal experience? What's missing for them?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

What about hotels, and other accommodation, if you need a home in the area to visit there, holidays would be doomed

I don't know... but that's how it is in the lakes and places like Robin hoods bay , quaint English village countryside cottages are Snapped up.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

not sure why you are being aggressive on a thread about the lake District?

Aggressive. Nice try.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Why do they need to be catered for when it's a universal experience? What's missing for them?

Why do disabled people need to be catered for?

Seriously? I suggest you get someone to read your posts in future before posting such embarrassing guff.