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Cherie · 30-12-2019, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

What's a percentage point in terms of pupil numbers?...

You are deliberately skewing the point, disadvantaged children all deserve an equal chance and a help up the ladder based on merit alone.

Why is that such a taboo concept?...

Its not taboo at all, what are you on about

Kizzy · 30-12-2019, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I agree, and unless all financial help based on ethnicity is scrapped, there should be something for wgite disadvantaged pupils.

Maybe that is what needs to happen, however there are always exceptions for the most disadvantaged group in any scenario.
Perpetuating myths that white boys are the most disadvantaged is still however a lie. It's fake news.

Sky and the editor of the spectator are spreading misinformation.

Oliver_W · 30-12-2019, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

Maybe that is what needs to happen, however there are always exceptions for the most disadvantaged group in any scenario.
Perpetuating myths that white boys are the most disadvantaged is still however a lie. It's fake news.

Sky and the editor of the spectator are spreading misinformation.

Even if they're not the most disadvantaged, they're the group that gets the least help, and that should be levelled.

Kizzy · 30-12-2019, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

If he was offering it to just black boys would your attitude be the same?

Yes obviously, I've just explained my position on this very clearly cherie.

Kizzy · 30-12-2019, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Even if they're not the most disadvantaged, they're the group that gets the least help, and that should be levelled.

And you know this how?

Kizzy · 30-12-2019, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

Its not taboo at all, what are you on about

It must be... there are people going on national telly advocating helping children based on their race. Granted the information was wrong but that won't matter, it's out there now isn't it?

Tom4784 · 30-12-2019, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

If he was offering it to just black boys would your attitude be the same?

White people are the majority in pretty much all private education. If you are white, you have more of a chance of attending these places then if you were black. Black people in particular are a severe minority in prestigious schools and universities so there's a definite need for bursaries in that case.

At the end of the day, this man's reasoning for a 'white boy only' bursary is flimsy at best, it seems more likely to me that he's more interested in keeping the school mostly white.

Tom4784 · 30-12-2019, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I agree, and unless all financial help based on ethnicity is scrapped, there should be something for wgite disadvantaged pupils.

This is such a gross attitude. It's like when you see children who only wants something because someone else has it and when they can't have it, they try to ruin it for everyone.

Cherie · 30-12-2019, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

It must be... there are people going on national telly advocating helping children based on their race. Granted the information was wrong but that won't matter, it's out there now isn't it?

A taboo would mean it couldn't be discussed, its being discussed aplenty it appears?

If this guy wanted to give his money to an animal shelter, no one would have an issue, send it off to a foreign climes to aid the locals, no issue, give bursaries to disadvantaged white boys, que the outrage, he probably would have got away with it if he donated to white girls. I am pretty sure there are similar bursaries available purely for those from ethnic minorities as well if we cared to look where is the outrage for those...

Cherie · 30-12-2019, 04:24 PM

Here we go...

https://www.thescholarshiphub.org.uk...-scholarships/

Ethnic minority scholarships

Why are there scholarships for ethnic minorities?
Why is it that discrimination is illegal and yet it is considered acceptable to offer scholarships specifically for ethnic or indeed any type of minority group?
Scholarships for minorities are usually offered by charities or foundations that have been established with the specific charitable purpose of widening participation or encouraging diversity. Universities might offer minority scholarships to encourage applications from particular groups in order to meet their widening participation targets.
In the case of ethnic minority scholarships, the fact is that overall, BME students made up 29 per cent of all entrants to full-time first degrees in 2015-16, despite these groups making up just 18 per cent of the 15-year-old population in the 2011 census in England.
However, the key point to note is that the outcomes for these groups of students often lag behind their white peers. Non-white students are less likely to achieve a first or upper second class degree. The differences exist at all levels of entry qualifications, so are even apparent among students who enter higher education with very high prior attainment.

Oliver_W · 30-12-2019, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

White people are the majority in pretty much all private education. If you are white, you have more of a chance of attending these places then if you were black.

Tell that to working class white boys who can't afford to go.

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Black people in particular are a severe minority in prestigious schools and universities so there's a definite need for bursaries in that case.

It's not really something that "needs" to be fixed, there is no correct amount of any type of person. There is an incorrect proportion, and thats 0%, otherwise the chips should be allowed to fall as they may.

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

This is such a gross attitude. It's like when you see children who only wants something because someone else has it and when they can't have it, they try to ruin it for everyone.

What's wrong with the same help being available for everyone?

Tom4784 · 30-12-2019, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Tell that to working class white boys who can't afford to go.

It's not really something that "needs" to be fixed, there is no correct amount of any type of person. There is an incorrect proportion, and thats 0%, otherwise the chips should be allowed to fall as they may.

What's wrong with the same help being available for everyone?

It's the fact that you were angling to get any bursaries that benefit ethnic minorities scrapped, hence the 'If I can't have it, no one can' comparison. That's a gross and incredibly self entitled way of looking at things.

The private school game is rigged in favour of white people and it's always has been, that's why by saying 'let the chips fall as they may' is the same as saying 'I'm okay with people not having the same opportunities as me as long as they aren't white.'

It's white privilege at it's core.

Cherie · 30-12-2019, 04:53 PM

Personally I think it’s good to have bursaries available for dedicated groups, when you apply you know you are not at a disadvantage straight off the bat because you are up against a group who are considered more disadvantaged so you have no hope

Oliver_W · 30-12-2019, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's the fact that you were angling to get any bursaries that benefit ethnic minorities scrapped, hence the 'If I can't have it, no one can' comparison. That's a gross and incredibly self entitled way of looking at things.

I'd prefer help be available for white working class pupils to make it fairer

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The private school game is rigged in favour of white people

In what way?

Twosugars · 30-12-2019, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W

In what way?

Racism, Oliver. The thing you said doesnt exist.

Oliver_W · 30-12-2019, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Twosugars

Racism, Oliver. The thing you said doesnt exist.

Not once have i said it doesn't exist. And that doesn't answer the question - how is the private school system rigged in white pupils' favour?

Marsh. · 30-12-2019, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W

What's wrong with the same help being available for everyone?

Because not everyone requires the same level of help, or help at all. Obviously.

Oliver_W · 30-12-2019, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

Because not everyone requires the same level of help, or help at all. Obviously.

A working class white pupil needs the same help as a working class black pupil, but one is more often left out when it comes to financial aid.

Marsh. · 30-12-2019, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W

A working class white pupil needs the same help as a working class black pupil, but one is more often left out when it comes to financial aid.

You're trying to equalise two things that are not equal.

There is plenty of help for working class kids. The majority of which will be white.

This attempt of yours to suggest white people have it worse off than minorities is embarrassing and false.