[Twosugars]

Four in 10 GPs are advising parents of children with mental health problems to pay for private care because NHS services are too overwhelmed to help.

In a survey, 43% of UK family doctors said they told parents whose children were struggling with anxiety, depression, self-harm or eating disorders to seek treatment privately if they could afford it because NHS care is heavily rationed and involves delays of up to 18 months.

The fact that so many families are being directed to private treatment highlights the inability of NHS child and adolescent mental health services (CAMHS) to cope with the growing demand for care from under-18s who have mental ill health.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/...y-ill-children

Tory Britain

[The Slim Reaper]

I mean, this in't great but we still have brown people in the country so whadayagonnado?

[parmnion]

There is simply to many people in the uk's cities atm, our services simply can't cope with them all.

[The Slim Reaper]

Right on cue

[parmnion]

Facts are facts slim..not my fault is it.

[bitontheslide]

For all but terminal illnesses, doctors have always recommended private treatment if people want fast action and this has been the case for more than 50 years that i know of

[Cherie]

Maybe we should be looking at why mental illness in children has grown at such an alarming rate in 20 years, there should be more funding but throwing money at it isn’t going to fix the problem.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Maybe we should be looking at why mental illness in children has grown at such an alarming rate in 20 years, there should be more funding butthrowing money at it isn’t going to fix the problem.

I was just going to say the same....I think it points to social media and video gaming,

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Maybe we should be looking at why mental illness in children has grown at such an alarming rate in 20 years, there should be more funding butthrowing money at it isn’t going to fix the problem.

I blame increased use of social media, "celebrity culture", and ignorant parents tied to their smartphone.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

For all but terminal illnesses, doctors have always recommended private treatment if people want fast action and this has been the case for more than 50 years that i know of

Is anorexia not a terminal illness?..

[The Slim Reaper]

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Is anorexia not a terminal illness?..

Untreated the mortality rate is 20%, treated it's around 2%.

[Tom4784]

Blaming immigration for the cuts to NHS has always been the foolish excuse of people desperate to please their tory overlords.

Tories are choosing to make cuts in order to push their agenda of privatisation and blaming anyone that isn't white is a surefire way to get the masses on side.

[Oliver_W]

Two things can be true at once - there can be too many people for the infrastructure to cope with, and there can be too many cuts going on.

[parmnion]

White families have children living in cities as well...jump of that tired old horse, don't you think the poor things been flogged enough...it's nearly dead

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Two things can be true at once - there can be too many people for the infrastructure to cope with, and there can be too many cuts going on.

That can be true but be honest with yourself, the cuts to the NHS are nothing more than a push for privatisation. Anyone that's blaming immigrants is falling for the scapegoat.

Listen to what the people who actually work for the NHS are telling you. There's so many cases of doctors and nurses pretty much screaming at the populace to pay attention to the evil that's poisoning the NHS but everyone's just like 'Nope, let's blame the brown people instead.'

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Two things can be true at once - there can be too many people for the infrastructure to cope with, and there can be too many cuts going on.

Cutting immigration would result in a declining, ageing population without a working-age taxable population to support (financially and physically) those people and the entire care infrastructure would collapse. "Less people" isn't a solution, unless the route to "less people" is (to be blunt) killing off the elderly.

It always makes me laugh when people claim that working-age immigrants are the major drain on health and care services. When it's old people. No ifs, ands or buts... the over-75's are such a massive drain on the healthcare system, that heavy smokers and drinkers actually end up being less of an overall drain on resources purely because they die younger.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Cutting immigration would result in a declining, ageing population without a working-age taxable population to support (financially and physically) those people and the entire care infrastructure would collapse. "Less people" isn't a solution, unless the route to "less people" is (to be blunt) killing off the elderly.

It always makes me laugh when people claim that working-age immigrants are the major drain on health and care services. When it's old people. No ifs, ands or buts... the over-75's are such a massive drain on the healthcare system, that heavy smokers and drinkers actually end up being less of an overall drain on resources purely because they die younger.

The population includes smokers, drinkers, jokers, thinkers, migrants, old people, babies ... i didn't say anything about immigrants, I said there are too many people for the infrastructure.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

You seem very qualified to diagnose a vast spectrum of illness. Not all of which are remotely the same.

What's wrong with speculating about what is causing this problem?

[Ammi]

...early intervention was always the key with children and mental health issues...schools used to have more involvement from social workers, from community nursing teams with mental health nurses..from psychologists etc...there used to be regular drop in clinics, where parents were able to discuss any concerns about their child..it’s been several years since any of those things have been accessible...and it is due to funding, sadly...I know of a child who after several suicide attempts, their GP said...‘it’s a phase, she’ll grow out of it..’...I do feel for the GP’s as well because their support networks have been cut with funding as well...they’re not qualified in mental health issues...it’s all very, very sad .....and why mental health issues are not getting the intervention required...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

What's wrong with speculating about what is causing this problem?

Which problem? "Mental illness" is a very broad term.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...early intervention was always the key with children and mental health issues...schools used to have more involvement from social workers, from community nursing teams with mental health nurses..from psychologists etc...there used to be regular drop in clinics, where parents were able to discuss any concerns about their child..it’s been several years since any of those things have been accessible...and it is due to funding, sadly...I know of a child who after several suicide attempts, their GP said...‘it’s a phase, she’ll grow out of it..’...I do feel for the GP’s as well because their support networks have been cut with funding as well...they’re not qualified in mental health issues...it’s all very, very sad .....and why mental health issues are not getting the intervention required...

Yes poorly run NHs services are the issue. Let's hold the management to the candle.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Which problem? "Mental illness" is a very broad term.

Cherie said we should look at what caused the increase, and I subsequently speculated

Depression and anxiety - feeling neglected by their parents in favour of phones; being cyberbullied and feeling unable to "switch off" due to constantly being connected...

Anorexia or dysmorphia issues - celebrity culture and instagram snaps being airbrushed beyond possibility

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Untreated the mortality rate is 20%, treated it's around 2%.

Did you just mansplain anorexia?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Did you just mansplain anorexia?

Did you just use the "word" mansplain? Dear god

You asked if it was terminal, I told you the mortality rate