[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Having done a bit of Googly Research, it seems like the general consensus is that violent imagery in entertainment can inspire "the specific method" of an attack that would probably have been carried out anyway in some form, and can indeed trigger violent outbursts in individuals who are ALREADY predisposed to violence.

They can't and don't make non-violent individuals "turn violent".

I guess you could consider the former a concern but things like alcohol and drugs are MUCH bigger violence triggers... As are basic-arse things like road rage and "job rage". I don't see many people calling for banning frustrating jobs, cars, or (god forbid) precious alcohol when alcohol is involved in NEARLY 1/3 of violent crimes.

Interestingly... Something that does decrease empathy is exposure to REAL violent imagery. So that's things like LiveLeak... Or broadcast news. Ban that filth?

When I was younger I used to look at stuff on liveleak, until I noticed I'd started getting desensitized to it, so I decided to steer well clear of anything like that. Seeing real stuff is worlds apart from harmless stuff in video games and films.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Dia.

Seeing real stuff is worlds apart from harmless stuff in video games and films.

" Seeing real stuff is worlds apart from harmless stuff in video games"

‘Rape Day’: A new video game glorifying sexual assault raises questions about regulation

A graphic new video game called Rape Day, set to launch in April, triggered a swift and widespread public outcry.

Created by an independent developer, Rape Day is a set in a zombie apocalypse, where the player controls a protagonist described as a “menacing serial killer rapist”.

Rape Day is a “visual novel” – players choose from a variety of sequences of still images that contain written dialogue options and prewritten story choices.

And the rape of women is encouraged to progress the plot.

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you could not make it up

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Dia.

When I was younger I used to look at stuff on liveleak, until I noticed I'd started getting desensitized to it, so I decided to steer well clear of anything like that. Seeing real stuff is worlds apart from harmless stuff in video games and films.

For you that may be true.....

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Dia.

When I was younger I used to look at stuff on liveleak, until I noticed I'd started getting desensitized to it, so I decided to steer well clear of anything like that. Seeing real stuff is worlds apart from harmless stuff in video games and films.

Exactly, I could play GTA5 all day and laugh at people flying through windscreens and off motorbikes, but I once accidentally saw LiveLeak footage of a motorbike accident where the guy was OK but his girlfriend who was on the back with no helmet was clearly dead, and I swear it felt like a hot knife in the stomach and the wail he let out still ****ing haunts me.

Someone also showed me a bit of "three guys one hammer" which is less brutal than even a mild horror/slasher film but it's scarred me for life. Horrific. It's just completely different.


Honestly says a lot to me that an awful lot of these "concerned folks" who think movie violence is awful, can look at pictures of drowned kids on the front of a newspaper and say "meh shouldn't have tried to cross, I blame their reckless parents". Jaded old farts trying to lecture others on decreased empathy

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

" Seeing real stuff is worlds apart from harmless stuff in video games"

‘Rape Day’: A new video game glorifying sexual assault raises questions about regulation

A graphic new video game called Rape Day, set to launch in April, triggered a swift and widespread public outcry.

Created by an independent developer, Rape Day is a set in a zombie apocalypse, where the player controls a protagonist described as a “menacing serial killer rapist”.

Rape Day is a “visual novel” – players choose from a variety of sequences of still images that contain written dialogue options and prewritten story choices.

And the rape of women is encouraged to progress the plot.

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you could not make it up

It's not a game that is on Steam, Origin, Epic, Nintendo, Xbox or PS4, nor would you ever see it on those platforms, it's an independant game made by some ****wit nutjob. That's like saying films suck because of stuff like A Serbian Film

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Honestly says a lot to me that an awful lot of these "concerned folks" who think movie violence is awful, can look at pictures of drowned kids on the front of a newspaper and say "meh shouldn't have tried to cross, I blame their reckless parents". Jaded old farts trying to lecture others on decreased empathy

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

" Seeing real stuff is worlds apart from harmless stuff in video games"



‘Rape Day’: A new video game glorifying sexual assault raises questions about regulation



A graphic new video game called Rape Day, set to launch in April, triggered a swift and widespread public outcry.



Created by an independent developer, Rape Day is a set in a zombie apocalypse, where the player controls a protagonist described as a “menacing serial killer rapist”.



Rape Day is a “visual novel” – players choose from a variety of sequences of still images that contain written dialogue options and prewritten story choices.



And the rape of women is encouraged to progress the plot.



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you could not make it up

RapeDay was literally designed to be "as shocking as possible" so that it would go viral and make money from nothing. They knew it would be banned, and it's barely even a game. Do your research LT . It's like comparing a professionally made film to a YouTube video of a dog fight.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Exactly, I could play GTA5 all day and laugh at people flying through windscreens and off motorbikes, but I once accidentally saw LiveLeak footage of a motorbike accident where the guy was OK but his girlfriend who was on the back with no helmet was clearly dead, and I swear it felt like a hot knife in the stomach and the wail he let out still ****ing haunts me.

Someone also showed me a bit of "three guys one hammer" which is less brutal than even a mild horror/slasher film but it's scarred me for life. Horrific. It's just completely different.


Honestly says a lot to me that an awful lot of these "concerned folks" who think movie violence is awful, can look at pictures of drowned kids on the front of a newspaper and say "meh shouldn't have tried to cross, I blame their reckless parents". Jaded old farts trying to lecture others on decreased empathy [emoji849

So true. Sad aging alcoholics raging at world and trying to bring everyone to their morally-bankrupt level. Sadly too familiar.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

RapeDay was literally designed to be "as shocking as possible" so that it would go viral and make money from nothing. They knew it would be banned, and it's barely even a game. Do your research LT . It's like comparing a professionally made film to a YouTube video of a dog fight.

there is always some excuse to try and pretend its not a problem. Oh its not on origin

ffs

[AnnieK]

Originally, there were I think 39 banned video nasties which the BBFC decided should be banned once certifications came in. The original pre cert films still exist and go for a lot of money. My ex was an avid collector of pre cert vhs tapes, the big money was in the banned "Nasties". A lot of them were just that too...nasty and absolute rubbish. But worth Ł1000s

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

there is always some excuse to try and pretend its not a problem. Oh its not on origin

ffs

It's literally an unregulated game, put on the internet by some weirdo, there's nothing the gaming industry can actually do to stop it, that's the job of the regulators. Like, pretty much all of the gaming community are disgusted by games like that

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

So true. Sad aging alcoholics raging at world and trying to bring everyone to their morally-bankrupt level. Sadly too familiar.

Alcoholism is a disease. how disgusting to hate on a disability, imagine someone posted that about depressives. what a vile hateful comment

this hate should not be tolerated

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

there is always some excuse to try and pretend its not a problem. Oh its not on origin

ffs

That's like you making a snuff film and blaming Hollywood for its existence.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

That's like you making a snuff film and blaming Hollywood for its existence.

no its saying a film is a film, that people watch

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

no its saying a film is a film, that people watch

That doesn't even make sense as a reply

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

no its saying a film is a film, that people watch

Again that doesn't make sense. Those films are ILLEGAL. Comparing it to mainstream commercial films is ridiculous.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Again that doesn't make sense. Those films are ILLEGAL. Comparing it to mainstream commercial films is ridiculous.

"These video releases were not brought before the British Board of Film Classification (BBFC) due to a loophole in film classification laws that allowed videos to bypass the review process. "

wiki: video nasties

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

The Internet causes depression...online gaming chat rooms cause depression..

When I was in my deepest, darkest depression, which was caused by personal life events, the internet and games were the only thing that got me through the day. I couldn't take my mind off the pain otherwise.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

When I was in my deepest, darkest depression, which was caused by personal life events, the internet and games were the only thing that got me through the day. I couldn't take my mind off the pain otherwise.

Honestly same, I had a dark decade from 2010-2018 and if it wasn't for a few games I'd have never gotten out of that hole.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"These video releases were not brought before the British Board of Film Classification (BBFC) due to a loophole in film classification laws that allowed videos to bypass the review process. "

wiki: video nasties

Again.... comparing it to mainstream commercial films is ridiculous.

Literally anyone can see anything at any time in their real life. Should we ban the ownership of eyes?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If your views took off we'd be in for heavy entertainment media censorship so I completely disagree. Honestly I'd rather live in a world of measles than a hardcore nanny state.

There is no proven link between media and violent tendencies... none. It's been scapegoated for years from movies to games and back again. It's just BS pop psychology and political propaganda.

But I'm not advocating my views... I haven't suggested they need to 'take off' they are my personal views. You've whipped my comment about how I feel on this subject into me proffering a nanny state!... do you see how irrational that is?
I didn't suggest there was any links...so there's no need to get so agitated, I responded to the thread topic and unleashed a torrent of accusations and assumption. Very odd.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

"You don't have to have your views grounded in science" is the antivax comparison though.

You don't have to have your views on anything grounded in science could also be a religious comparison too couldn't it?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Exactly, I could play GTA5 all day and laugh at people flying through windscreens and off motorbikes, but I once accidentally saw LiveLeak footage of a motorbike accident where the guy was OK but his girlfriend who was on the back with no helmet was clearly dead, and I swear it felt like a hot knife in the stomach and the wail he let out still ****ing haunts me.

Someone also showed me a bit of "three guys one hammer" which is less brutal than even a mild horror/slasher film but it's scarred me for life. Horrific. It's just completely different.


Honestly says a lot to me that an awful lot of these "concerned folks" who think movie violence is awful, can look at pictures of drowned kids on the front of a newspaper and say "meh shouldn't have tried to cross, I blame their reckless parents". Jaded old farts trying to lecture others on decreased empathy

I really hope you aren't referring to me here, I can see where you're coming from a little here though, dehumanising media has worked it's magic in that regard. People don't just wake up one day and not feel empathy it has to be trained out of you.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Exactly, I could play GTA5 all day and laugh at people flying through windscreens and off motorbikes, but I once accidentally saw LiveLeak footage of a motorbike accident where the guy was OK but his girlfriend who was on the back with no helmet was clearly dead, and I swear it felt like a hot knife in the stomach and the wail he let out still ****ing haunts me.

Someone also showed me a bit of "three guys one hammer" which is less brutal than even a mild horror/slasher film but it's scarred me for life. Horrific. It's just completely different.


Honestly says a lot to me that an awful lot of these "concerned folks" who think movie violence is awful, can look at pictures of drowned kids on the front of a newspaper and say "meh shouldn't have tried to cross, I blame their reckless parents". Jaded old farts trying to lecture others on decreased empathy

Yes i think you sum it up perfectly.

Also, thanks for all the replies, made for an interesting read. Im planning on doing a paper on the subject, so all views and opinions are much appreciated.

But yes, my view tends to lead toward the real life horror and gore, compared to acted horror and gore which effects the human psyche in completely different ways. Just talking about that video you mentioned Toy Soldier makes me feel quite anxious, something that has most certainly scared me for life. Whereas i've watched every video nasty, bar Faces of Death, and none of them effected me anything like the way that video did. However i agree with another poster who didn't like the real life animal cruelty in some of these movies, there is no need for that ever. But otherwise most of films on the DDP list are fun and trashy (some very well made, most not, some 'scary/shocking', most not).

[Kizzy]

If there is a very distinct differential then why do film makers now try more inventive ways to turn peoples stomachs?
It's only acting, yet if there is a physiological response to that acting then how can we be 100% certain there couldn't be a psychological one?

What makes us sick in these instances, is it a response to a visual image that creates extreme anxiety and that manifests physically?
Sounds like how I would describe a symptom of PTSD.

Ive been thinking about this for a long time and that's the only thing I can put it down to then if they affect me and some in a certain way and not others, as a response to past trauma?

I'm not wrong to feel like that nor is it wrong to express that that is how I feel about the subject.