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Old 05-01-2020, 09:31 AM #26
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the climate on earth has continually changed since it was formed. It's not static. The question is, have humans altered it more than natural phenomena would, and that is the issue open to debate.

I don't think the debate is particularly relevant. If we have the capability to keep our air and our water clean, then we should do it. No debate, just do it.
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I don't think the debate is particularly relevant. If we have the capability to keep our air and our water clean, then we should do it. No debate, just do it.
I think this is a good point... Why would even a climate change denier think "nah its not real, so let's continue churning out pollution!"... I mean... Why wouldn't it be a case of "I don't think it's actually a concern but sure, let's clean up the planet anyway".

It indicates that the people (in power) who are resisting it have something to lose from increased environmental protections, and thus, their opinion has to be taken with a large pinch of salt. It's a competing interest... There's a reason that researchers are supposed to openly declare those.

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forest fires have Always been there basically, and it's not bc of climate change but more evil people who cause that (like farmers in brazil with the amazon rainforest, or many of the fires in California because of hot weather and when you then go BBQ or smoking and throwing a lit cigarette away causes a fire, Australia well most of that country has experienced drought for a very long time, that combined with also not much rainfall activity causes a forest fire to get out of control real fast)


the heat records, well in the 70's there were also very very hot days my mom told me last summer so that has also been there for quite some time


2 years ago we had the drought problem, right but last year we had more rainfall, also caused some floodings i believe i can remember in britain yes
It's the second worst fire in recorded history, with it having burned 12 million acres so far, the only one worse than it was the Siberian Taiga Fires in 2003 which burned 47 million acres. Both of these fires are within the last 17 years, and lets not forget, modern forest fire techniques are now in place, which lessen the spread of fires, whereas back in the 70s, the techniques were lacking and the fires still didnt get this bad.
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Nicky, your three aircon units have made global warming irreversible
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How can anyone think otherwise? You don't even need to talk about wildfires or hottest days. You just need to look at what humans are doing.

Part of what causes global warming is increased carbon dioxide. What causes increased CO2? Pouring smoke into the air, fossil fuels, all that kind of thing.

What doesn't help is destroying our green spaces, as plants turn CO2 into oxygen.

So, not only do "we" keep increasing the amount of CO2 in the air, but also destroy the things that turn it around? Dumb af

We need to stop pointlessly destroying our green spaces, but also start to rely on greener forms of energy. Nuclear is probably the cleanest.
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I think this is a good point... Why would even a climate change denier think "nah its not real, so let's continue churning out pollution!"... I mean... Why wouldn't it be a case of "I don't think it's actually a concern but sure, let's clean up the planet anyway".
Yeah, think how silly we'd feel if we stopped poisoning the seas and air for no reason
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How can anyone think otherwise? You don't even need to talk about wildfires or hottest days. You just need to look at what humans are doing.



Part of what causes global warming is increased carbon dioxide. What causes increased CO2? Pouring smoke into the air, fossil fuels, all that kind of thing.



What doesn't help is destroying our green spaces, as plants turn CO2 into oxygen.



So, not only do "we" keep increasing the amount of CO2 in the air, but also destroy the things that turn it around? Dumb af



We need to stop pointlessly destroying our green spaces, but also start to rely on greener forms of energy. Nuclear is probably the cleanest.
The oceans are the biggest CO2 scrubber (much moreso than green spaces on land) but of course, global warming is also altering ocean temperatures and currents which is ****ing everything up there too.

I mentioned nuclear being the current absolute best option we have in another thread recently but it's not a popular opinion. Ironically, the heavy favouring of renewables over nuclear is only prolonging reliance on classic fossil fuels to the point where it'll be too late.

Renewable energy is definitely the future but we're not there yet for it to be a viable full replacement. But nuclear has been demonised to the point of being a political hot potato... Governments know its the best option short term, to quickly reduce fossil fuel use until viable "green" tech can meet demand, but voters dislike it so...
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Nicky, your three aircon units have made global warming irreversible
my aircon unit causes no damage to our climate

i've read that on the box when we bought it


my parents their aircon units though they are not that good for climate
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my aircon unit causes no damage to our climate

i've read that on the box when we bought it


my parents their aircon units though they are not that good for climate
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The oceans are the biggest CO2 scrubber (much moreso than green spaces on land) but of course, global warming is also altering ocean temperatures and currents which is ****ing everything up there too.
Oh I'd never say the trees are the only thing giving us oxygen, just that destroying them doesn't exactly help. Plus, the things green spaces are replaced with increase CO2, so it's a double whammy.

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I mentioned nuclear being the current absolute best option we have in another thread recently but it's not a popular opinion. Ironically, the heavy favouring of renewables over nuclear is only prolonging reliance on classic fossil fuels to the point where it'll be too late.

Renewable energy is definitely the future but we're not there yet for it to be a viable full replacement. But nuclear has been demonised to the point of being a political hot potato... Governments know its the best option short term, to quickly reduce fossil fuel use until viable "green" tech can meet demand, but voters dislike it so...
Even nuclear isn't completely clean, with the mining of uranium. But it's better than most other options.

If I was down with conspiracy theories, I'd think the timing of the release of Cherbonyl was fishy
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Nicky also charges his laptop even tho its at 98% and never uses the battery. Meanwhile a Polar Bear is having to Swim to a Spar in Tromso just to get some Penguins

When will this madness end?
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Can we report Nicky to the environmental protection agency? I'm feeling a bit warm today and it's January. It's his impact.
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Anyone that doesn't is an absolute fool that disregards facts they can't handle. Cllimate change is real, it's not a debate.
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Man made climate change

the climate always changes every year and over long periods like the ice age 10,000 years ago or the 17th Century winters where the THames regularly froze over and Frost fairs were held

Its should be addressed as man made climate change as that is the specific issue and not climate change on its own

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If I was down with conspiracy theories, I'd think the timing of the release of Cherbonyl was fishy
I'd say Chernobyl actually made a good case for nuclear not being that bad at all! It explained the situation pretty well, pointing out that it wasn't "an inevitability" of something inherently dangerous... but a combination of bad design, Soviet cost-cutting, and human error from insufficiently trained staff. The second half of the series was really all about a small group standing up and saying "No, look, this was a Soviet **** up not an unavoidable accident, part of the design needs fixed".

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Man made climate change

the climate always changes every year and over long periods like the ice age 10,000 years ago or the 17th Century winters where the Thames regularly froze over and Frost fairs were held

Its should be addressed as man made climate change as that is the specific issue and not climate change on its own
I agree that the distinction is important, because people try to use evidence of normal climate fluctuations to explain away the current situation... so yes it's important for people to know that climate change over time is normal, but that the current increase, and moreso the SPEED of change is too far outside the "normal range" to be passed off as having nothing to do with human activity.
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I agree that the distinction is important, because people try to use evidence of normal climate fluctuations to explain away the current situation... so yes it's important for people to know that climate change over time is normal, but that the current increase, and moreso the SPEED of change is too far outside the "normal range" to be passed off as having nothing to do with human activity.
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Nicky voted no? What are you on, Nicky...?
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To be fair to Nicky, Parmy also voted no but he hasn't committed to his choice on the poll
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See , I do believe the earth's orbit of the sun is speeding up and years mean nothing now..however I think we should stop chopping down the rainforest and reduce our plastic consumption. Cause of the danger to wildlife.

But I honestly believe that it's all down to the earth spinning gradually faster round the sun each year.
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See , I do believe the earth's orbit of the sun is speeding up and years mean nothing now..however I think we should stop chopping down the rainforest and reduce our plastic consumption. Cause of the danger to wildlife.

But I honestly believe that it's all down to the earth spinning gradually faster round the sun each year.
It's slowing down, I believe.
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There are definitely natural changes in the climate that have been happening since the beginning of time but there is obviously a huge amount of problems caused by humans which are unnaturally changing things and need to be handled. Nobody said that the natural ups and downs of temperatures didn't exist. I hope not anyway.
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