[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Plenty of parents care for children their whole lives and do so without a sense of ownership or entitlement to that child's life when they are grown up. It's blatant narcissism and self-entitlement to believe that he has any rights to her life when it's down purely to her.

She is choosing what she wants to do, she has chosen not to have him in her life and it's her right to do so.

Yes, well said.

You cannot force yourself on someone by going public like that.
He is turning it into a circus.
Not to mention his statements that she didnt suffer any racism. How does he know? He's parroting the daily Heil line which makes him even less credible if that's possible.
The guy has no sense of dignity.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by arista

not now

So he did in the past?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

So he did in the past?

May have done while working at the TV studio

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by smudgie

I would disown the beggar.
What kind of father goes on the telly moaning and whining about his daughter?

You don’t know what Part Meghan has to play in this...it takes two.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

You don’t know what Part Meghan has to play in this...it takes two.

Meghan made him go on tv?

You just don't do that full stop.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Meghan made him go on tv?

You just don't do that full stop.

....maybe what she did as a daughter was something you would never do to your parent...but the reasons for the fall out have yet to be given...and I don’t suppose Meghan is completely innocent but let’s wait and see.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

....maybe what she did as a daughter was something you would never do to your parent...but the reasons for the fall out have yet to be given...and I don’t suppose Meghan is completely innocent but let’s wait and see.

Or her father is just a money hungry scum bag?

[Jordan.]

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

....maybe what she did as a daughter was something you would never do to your parent...but the reasons for the fall out have yet to be given...and I don’t suppose Meghan is completely innocent but let’s wait and see.

Just in what circumstances is it right to publicize something private like that?

I can't think of any. This is not a path a normal person would take.
Only a parent without any morals would do something like that to their child.

[Toy Soldier]

"Father" my butthole, he's taking money to spill dirt on his own daughter. There's literally nothing - nothing - my daughters could to that would mean I'd take cash for information about them that would make their lives harder. They could be literal murderers and I'd rather live & die in a cardboard box than spill my guts about them in the tabloid press and on morning telly. I don't care what the circumstances are. Utter, utter scum.

[Matthew.]

Watched the interview this morning, what a sleazy leech. And then you have Piers saying “You’d have to have a heart of stone to not feel for him”, heard it all now No sympathy for him at all.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

So telling me I hate her isn’t a personal attack lol

You aren’t making any points, just trotting out your opinion in the form of psychobabble, what am I meant to argue against precisely?

....No? That's an observation judging on the fact that you're basically voicing support for her openly parasitic father. If you think telling someone that you think they hate someone is an attack then you must find a lot of things an attack. To me, if someone voices support for a parent blatantly in the wrong over their daughter who hasn't even responded to their bull**** but has risen above it, that tells me you probably hate the daughter.

Did you really just say that I didn't raise any points.... Only an opinion? Good grief. You're meant to argue why you disagree with my opinion, that should be obvious. 'instead you basically went on about me and disregarded my opinion, something you do a lot.

Also, you don't need a degree to talk about the patterns of abuse of a narcissistic person, trying to shut me down is bad enough but trying to shut me down like that is particularly thoughtless. I do not need to justify myself to you Cherie and I won't divulge my life and my experiences to score ****ing points in a SD thread.

If you disagree with what I'm saying about narcissism then argue against it, this is Serious Debates after all not the 'Attack a poster when you can't think of an appropriate response' forum. If it's all just babble then you should be able to form some kind of argument against it, your attacks against me paint a very different picture.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Matthew.

Watched the interview this morning, what a sleazy leech. And then you have Piers saying “You’d have to have a heart of stone to not feel for him”, heard it all now No sympathy for him at all.

Because Morgan is just the sort of self-fellating ham who would feel totally justified in selling a story about his kids to boost his own profile. In fact he'd probably write and publish a whole book about them.

[Matthew.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Because Morgan is just the sort of self-fellating ham who would feel totally justified in selling a story about his kids to boost his own profile. In fact he'd probably write and publish a whole book about them.

It wouldn’t surprise me if he did do something like that, anything to get himself some attention and to keep him relevant for a few days Awful man, could probably apply the “sleazy leech” comment to him as well

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

....No? That's an observation judging on the fact that you're basically voicing support for her openly parasitic father. If you think telling someone that you think they hate someone is an attack then you must find a lot of things an attack. To me, if someone voices support for a parent blatantly in the wrong over their daughter who hasn't even responded to their bull**** but has risen above it, that tells me you probably hate the daughter.

Did you really just say that I didn't raise any points.... Only an opinion? Good grief. You're meant to argue why you disagree with my opinion, that should be obvious. 'instead you basically went on about me and disregarded my opinion, something you do a lot.

Also, you don't need a degree to talk about the patterns of abuse of a narcissistic person, trying to shut me down is bad enough but trying to shut me down like that is particularly thoughtless. I do not need to justify myself to you Cherie and I won't divulge my life and my experiences to score ****ing points in a SD thread.

If you disagree with what I'm saying about narcissism then argue against it, this is Serious Debates after all not the 'Attack a poster when you can't think of an appropriate response' forum. If it's all just babble then you should be able to form some kind of argument against it, your attacks against me paint a very different picture.

No one wants to have an argument with you but you want an argument because that’s the words you are using, should it not be a debate!

You are very vocal about people attacking and hating on Megan but just look what you are saying about her father, what has he done to you for you to be so hateful towards him when like all of us you don’t his life only what you seen on tv or read about him.

No one has got the time and energy to keep arguing on this forum over people we don’t know.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

....No? That's an observation judging on the fact that you're basically voicing support for her openly parasitic father. If you think telling someone that you think they hate someone is an attack then you must find a lot of things an attack. To me, if someone voices support for a parent blatantly in the wrong over their daughter who hasn't even responded to their bull**** but has risen above it, that tells me you probably hate the daughter.

Did you really just say that I didn't raise any points.... Only an opinion? Good grief. You're meant to argue why you disagree with my opinion, that should be obvious. 'instead you basically went on about me and disregarded my opinion, something you do a lot.

Also, you don't need a degree to talk about the patterns of abuse of a narcissistic person, trying to shut me down is bad enough but trying to shut me down like that is particularly thoughtless. I do not need to justify myself to you Cherie and I won't divulge my life and my experiences to score ****ing points in a SD thread.

If you disagree with what I'm saying about narcissism then argue against it, this is Serious Debates after all not the 'Attack a poster when you can't think of an appropriate response' forum. If it's all just babble then you should be able to form some kind of argument against it, your attacks against me paint a very different picture.

Jeez no one asked for War and Peace. I don’t need to argue against your opinion, it’s set in stone so why would I waste my time

As for your life experience Dezzy, yes we all have had life experience you don’t corner the market on that

its funny that the narcissist didn’t appear until he was 70 plus, Meghan was in the public eye long before she met Harry

Finally don’t go on the attack if you can’t take it, stick to the topic at hand

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Or her father is just a money hungry scum bag?

Well maybe...time will tell.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Matthew.

Watched the interview this morning, what a sleazy leech. And then you have Piers saying “You’d have to have a heart of stone to not feel for him”, heard it all now No sympathy for him at all.

Not surprised really when Piers has been obsessed with Meghan and is trying so hard to make her out to be a bad person.

[GoldHeart]

woe is me woe is me the leech is at it again i see , what a great show to go on with effing piers morgan ! wow he just keeps stooping lower and lower .

What makes him think Meghan & Harry are going to have anything to do with him now when he keeps selling them out , he called them lost souls but he's the only lost soul i see .

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

You don’t know what Part Meghan has to play in this...it takes two.

It’s him I see doing interviews dissing his daughter, and making assumptions about how the rest of the royals feel about it all.
A ruddy disgrace of a parent.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Matthew.

And then you have Piers saying “You’d have to have a heart of stone to not feel for him”, heard it all now

Mr "man up" suddenly wanting a show of compassion when it suits his agenda

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by smudgie

It’s him I see doing interviews dissing his daughter, and making assumptions about how the rest of the royals feel about it all.
A ruddy disgrace of a parent.

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Mr "man up" suddenly wanting a show of compassion when it suits his agenda

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

No one wants to have an argument with you but you want an argument because that’s the words you are using, should it not be a debate!

You are very vocal about people attacking and hating on Megan but just look what you are saying about her father, what has he done to you for you to be so hateful towards him when like all of us you don’t his life only what you seen on tv or read about him.

No one has got the time and energy to keep arguing on this forum over people we don’t know.

This is Serious Debates, if you aren't looking to debate the topic then you're in the wrong section.

Her father sells stories on his own daughter, he is trying to profit from her misery by attacking her in the press. If you can't understand how wrong that is then there isn't anything to be said to help you understand. He is undoubtedly a parasite whose actions and words towards his own daughter is beyond comprehension for any good parent. You don't try to profit off your own children and you certainly don't do so by attacking them in the press.

If this was Kate's father than the same people cheering him would be booing him for the same reasons we'd boo him. People are simply taking his side because he is talking **** about his own daughter that they just so happen to hate. I dislike such a fair-weather sense of morality, it's weak and people like Piers Morgan who tried to make this parasite out to be sympathetic would be dragging him if his daughter happened to be someone he likes.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Jeez no one asked for War and Peace. I don’t need to argue against your opinion, it’s set in stone so why would I waste my time

As for your life experience Dezzy, yes we all have had life experience you don’t corner the market on that

its funny that the narcissist didn’t appear until he was 70 plus, Meghan was in the public eye long before she met Harry

Finally don’t go on the attack if you can’t take it, stick to the topic at hand

Yet attacking me isn't a waste of time? If I did the same to you, we wouldn't hear the end of it.

Also if you aren't here to talk about the issues then why are you even in Serious Debates? It comes with the territory. It seems pointless to attack people for having a discussion with you and then disregard what they saying because it's not convenient for you.

You misunderstood what I was getting at with the experience thing and I assume you did so on purpose because I happened to be the one to post it.

He just so happened to appear when she seemed to cut him out of her life which is typical narcissist behaviour. Normally it would just be an endless barrage of messages or turning up where you work, trying to impose their will on you in the hopes you'll give in to save yourself public embarrassment and then regardless of how you respond, out comes the victim act to paint you as the bad guy to others in an attempt to isolate you. What he is doing is no different, it's just that he is using a media that's nothing short of volatile towards her to do it. If you disagree with what I'm saying, say why.

As for your last line, take your own advice considering you were the first one to go on the attack with this post.

Originally Posted by Cherie

I don't hate her, just puzzled by their behaviour as a couple

I quite like her actually so wrong again

You don't hold any psychology degrees so I would hold off with the embarrassing web definitions

You tried to devalue my views by making out that I wasn't entitled to them if I wasn't a psychologist. Let's not rewrite history, shall we? Let's stick to the topc now, shall we? This isn't about me, it's about a narcissistic parent.

[jet]

Because Mr. Markle is unwisely doing what he is doing, doesn’t make Meghan blameless in the least. She is the instigator of his obvious desperation. He doted on her her whole life and they were close, that much was obvious from the documentary videos. He gave her the best education he could, she went to some pretty expensive schools.
He was left to deal with the paps camped outside his door and following him around with no help or guidance, she doesn’t even have the respect to introduce him to Harry.
Then he makes one mistake of getting pap photos taken to boost his image, and WHAM! He is told off by the future son in law who hadn’t even met him.
When he has heart surgery and can’t attend the wedding, that is the end of the road. Not a word from his loving daughter since, not even to ask how the surgery went or how he is. What kind of daughter does THAT for so little reason?
He tries to talk to her, but she changes her phone number. He sends her text after text (he says he has them as proof) and - nothing.
Mr. Markle has been quiet since way before Archies birth and in the 8 months since until now, prompted by the whole Megxit debacle….and she still hasn’t relented. I think he fears she never will. He’s a desperate, angry old man and the press are taking adantage of his desperation.
Neither of them have conducted themselves well, but IMO Meghan’s behavior is worse.